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Chris O'Brien our co-host this week

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Chris after we had this fascinating

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discussion the other week about the

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Hollow Earth about the earth base ufos

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etc etc with Allan Greenfield Walter

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Bosley and Michael Mott and my cleland I

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was thinking here what do you think

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about the Hollow Earth did you ever read

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some of those early books from dr.

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Barnard and all those other people not

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that particular one but one of the first

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science fiction books I read as a kid

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was Journey to the Center of the Earth

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which always was you know as always

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fascinated me the whole idea of the

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Hollow Earth has always been intriguing

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to me I think scientifically it's it's

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untenable

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of course now with the latest word from

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Richard Hoagland that the moon Mars moon

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Phobos is it's Hollow

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it kind of brings that whole thing into

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more of a larger big picture context but

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I'm behaving like a typical host of the

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power cast saying that maybe Richard

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Hoagland logic is hollow I wouldn't

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argue with that one Jane I you know I've

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never really been much of a fan and I do

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have problems with people that create

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cults of personality in this field but

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in terms of the subject matter I thought

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that the show was very fascinating I

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think Allen and Michael had some really

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interesting observations very bright

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guys I I do sense that the whole concept

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of the Hollow Earth I think as as kind

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of a fairy tale or fantasy you know it

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just doesn't it to me it is just that

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and I do think that there's a good

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chance that some ancient civilization

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did extensively dig tunnels underground

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I do think that there are undiscovered

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tunnel systems and underground cavern

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systems but the whole concept of a

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Hollow Earth quote-unquote to me is is a

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little bit fanciful my reading about the

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Hollow Earth by the way precedes maybe

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what you read or maybe came later bosz a

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different concept and that was the

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Palouse etre series from Edgar Rice

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Burroughs where they went to the North

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Pole and Ross

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the polar gap and inside found the Great

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Central Sun at the center of the earth

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yeah I read them all - sure and that of

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course was the Ray Palmer image to some

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degree because I think people forget

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people forget that some of the final

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works from Edgar Rice Burroughs appeared

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in amazing stories when Ray Palmer was

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editor yeah I wasn't aware of that

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I also liked one of my favorite comics

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was the Golden Key comics of toric son

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of stone - paleo-indians ago into kind

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of a Hollow Earth scenario I was always

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very fascinated by that you know the

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whole Mac Tony's idea of crypto

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terrestrials if they do live here then

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then they've got to be somewhere so it's

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either their subterranean or suboceanic

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and and I think you know obviously that

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it's a closed system phenomenon I truly

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believe and and I do think that those

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are our two most obvious choices in

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terms of where to look for these crypto

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terrestrials to use that coin term but

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again I you know I think I think even

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though you know it sounds good on paper

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I think a lot more research and

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investigation needs to be done before

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anything definitive is is that we're

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gonna come forth the problem I have is

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how do you prove such a thing how do you

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prove it without actually bringing one

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of those beings front and center and

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saying okay where do you come from and

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many if they say yeah we're live in

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those caves in whatever language they

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speak or we're under the ocean and then

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why believe them and that's the other of

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course issue I mean when you meet these

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beings and people do meet up with beings

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and they say where you're from what are

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you doing what's your purpose yeah would

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you believe them if they told you sure

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why should they tell you the truth I

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mean maybe they have a prime directive

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that says we're not going to interfere

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in the affairs of these primitive

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Earthlings and it could be the primitive

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people who share the world with us and

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are making a complete mess of it

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but whatever they are they may also have

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a philosophy as you know

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don't tell the truth don't tell them

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where we are

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because they'll come after us if just

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tell them what they need to know exactly

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or you know what we think they need to

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know right I'd love to have somebody

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like John Greenwald or somebody do an

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FOI a request

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requesting the the crustal mapping

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program but they've been doing from some

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super high-tech satellite in space

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that's been operational since the late

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90s supposedly they've mapped a good

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deal of the Earth's crust already down

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to 40 miles that would give us an

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indication of ancient tunnel systems and

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potential you know places to really

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focus our investigative intentions that

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would be I think a good first step so

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anybody out there in the mood to do an

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FOI a request figure out some terms to

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use for finding these these images and

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looking looking getting the data

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released you know it's probably there

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somewhere assuming of course that they

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aren't using secret tell agrees to kind

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of found the instrumentation well there

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you go there's always an answer I mean

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if you don't have the information that's

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being hidden from you I mean just

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because you remember owls at night

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doesn't mean that you weren't abducted

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by UFO aliens or wherever they're from

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maybe they're clipped allow us yeah and

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you know what think about this I have a

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site called tech night out okay right

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tapping into an unresolved screen image

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well now the people who listen to the

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show in the forums at forum dr. Peric

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ascom they're going to speculate hey is

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he mean an abductee you know maybe you

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should give your your little owl logo

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almond eyes well I can't draw so I took

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what the artist gave me I never

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specified specific types of eyes you

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know I just said you know make it look

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okay and it actually has kind of like

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golden eyes doesn't it and yeah it does

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and that's not my fault and it's

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interesting too we had a reader of my

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technology site technical community

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a good logo and I said okay so he came

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up with that logo I never heard from him

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maybe back into the center of the earth

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or something oh my gosh so it's probably

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some sort of subliminally programmed

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logo there's no I probably bright went

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back to Madison Avenue is where he went

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he was in France okay no friends jokes

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French crypto owls that's right so today

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we're going to explore the really

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mysterious Pennsylvania

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state east of the Rocky Mountains or the

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Continental Divide that it's kind of a

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toss-up between Pennsylvania and

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Missouri but I think Pennsylvania wins

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out people forget Sylvania is one huge

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state takes hours to drive from

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Pittsburgh to Philadelphia you know

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number of years they were very strange

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years seriously yeah well look at it

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Stan's book Stan Gordon is our guest he

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he's one of those unsung heroes out

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there this is gonna be a real treat to

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to talk with Stan again he's been at

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this almost 50 years and just real

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slogging away doing the field work

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logging the data you know walking the

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walk and talking to talk and and keeping

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a low profile not promoting himself is

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some sort of you know personality and

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someone that's out there to to you know

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maximize the the financial potentials of

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all this he's a he's a real I really

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look up to him I look up to his work and

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I'm this is really exciting for me to be

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on the on the show today with him Stan

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Gordon author of really mysterious

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in to the para cast let me tell you what

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you're gonna hear stuff here that you

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probably won't hear anywhere else hear

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that George snoring Stan Gordon has a

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new book out called really mysterious

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Pennsylvania and I don't think he was

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talking about the fact that I used to

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live in Pennsylvania therefore made it

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really mysterious you're not talking

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about me are you definitely not okay I

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feel kind of settled there but I

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remember living in Pennsylvania in the

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1970s and we had UFO flapped there and

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then I learned from people like yourself

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and Kurt's subtly and others who were

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investigating things that were happening

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that Pennsylvania is really mysterious

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lots of strange things go on there and

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what is there about that state that

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seems to attract the strangest ooh all

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the questions people asked us all the

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time and I don't have a definite answer

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for that but I can tell you that

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historically there's always been a lot

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of strange activity going here across

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the state of Pennsylvania I mean we go

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back to you know the the early

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references of Bigfoot sightings in

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Pennsylvania a lot of early of

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references to UFO sightings being

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observed in different parts of the state

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I mean the earliest firsthand that can I

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have a Bigfoot sighting goes back to

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1931 up in Indy and add up and Fayette

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County PA and we've talked before about

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Fayette County it's a hotbed for all

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type of strange phenomena year after

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year so yet County is among those

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counties that border along the Chestnut

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Ridge which we've talked about the

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Chestnut Ridge is a mountain range runs

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from custom County West Virginia through

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and South West PA and historically

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there's just been a tremendous amount of

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strange activity along that mountain

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range which is about 100 miles long UFO

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sightings all kind of strange to

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creature reports Bigfoot sightings Black

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Panthers of course mountain lions

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strange reports of underground sounds

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along the ridge over the years just a

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lot of weird things will happen along

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the shelves not rich you know

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I want to ask you something before we

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really progress on this because we've

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had this discussion going on quite a

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while you originally came to prominence

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in paranormal research because of the

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Kecksburg incident which happened you

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know many many years ago and I think the

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question we've been asking Stan is

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whether we should still be investigating

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or trying to get information about these

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real old cases and concentrate more on

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the more recent stuff well you know I've

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worked in that case so that was 16 years

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old I haven't back December 9th 1965 and

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it's a very fascinating case we have a

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lot of information on it yet there are

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many unanswered questions and of course

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the the main on the answer question is

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still what was the object that fell that

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day our show to say late afternoon

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December 9th 1965 that was interesting

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enough that the military responders of

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that scene apparently we covered the

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object and even now after so many years

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later they still want to open the

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information on what exactly was

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recovered and I still received some

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input on the case every year I still get

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in for some information on it and I'm

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still hopeful that some day we're gonna

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find that person or find that

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information that might finally let us

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close the information on the event and

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finally have an answer on what exactly

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we were dealing with one of the things

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that's always puzzled me about it is is

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how you know with these wonderful

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efforts that have been made over the

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last 10 or 15 years for Freedom of

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Information Act requests you know it's

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interesting that we haven't really been

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able to pull much information out of the

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government on this because obviously the

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the military was involved and you would

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think there would be some sort of paper

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trail that would give us at least some

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clues on what exactly their role was and

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and information about what what the

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actual craft was or object and I agree

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and I started doing Fourier our reports

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on these thought to think on this case

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going back many many years and then of

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course

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Leslie Kane with the our coalition of

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freedom information work through with

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the that lawsuit that they had with NASA

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contain pertaining to the event and you

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know actually the only document that

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actually pertains to the case of ever

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really surfaced was that project

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Bluebook

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ports which basically it listed it as

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actually an acme PA instead of Kecksburg

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which I understand a reason why that

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would be and I believe that was because

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they talked to some members of the

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family that lived within walking

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distance from where the object

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reportedly fell and they had an ACME

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mailing address and I believe that's

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probably why that was always put under

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that specific name but of course that

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report goes on to say that a search

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continued to around I believe around two

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o'clock or so in the morning that

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nothing was found and you have I mean

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I've interviewed hundreds of hundreds of

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people who were directly involved or

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indirectly involved lots of people with

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information and there are many people

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that late-afternoon of course this

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happened late afternoon when the object

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reportedly fell in the area and when it

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came in those people fought dropped down

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said it didn't fall down as there was

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something came in a high rate of speed

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like a meteorite or reentry a space

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debris or satellite but this thing came

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in relatively slowly almost like a

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controlled landing and then momentarily

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after a fell though the Calma blue

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smoker grows up with dust in the area

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but it dissipated very quickly after

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that and you know there was so much we

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didn't know back in that time when

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that's happened I mean it was a major

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news story in this area the next day and

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all the local paper was making the

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national news was hitting all the wire

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services and they were talking about the

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military involvement and the air being

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cordoned off and and then you had the

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report the next day after all the other

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reports came out that the there was a

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search for the object there was an

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agreement review and the search revealed

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nothing nothing was found there was a

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search the people had been mistaken and

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that people have seen a bright meteor in

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the sky but nothing had fallen to the

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ground and I can remember just days

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after that happened there was so much

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talk around this community of people

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seeing what they said was a large

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military flatbed tractor-trailer truck

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carrying a large tarpaulin covering out

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of the air at a high rate of speed

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about one o'clock in the morning and of

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course over the years we get a lot of

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information and so much information I

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got it wasn't easy to get a hold of

402
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because so many people didn't want to

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come forward even today there are many

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people you still call me occasionally

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who haven't contacted me after all these

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years that this happened and quite often

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I'd get a lead from a friend and

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a relative of somebody and we followed

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up on the case but I can tell you in the

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summer of 1990 before the unsolved

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mystery TV show did a season premiere on

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the Kecksburg case a gentleman

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approached me and I was able to verify

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his background quite easily and he told

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me that he was a member of the air force

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security team Air Force security police

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team at Lockport Air Force Base that

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guarded the object when it came in to

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that base from Pennsylvania early

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00:17:05,820 --> 00:17:03,820
morning hours of December 10th and he

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told me that the security on the base

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was even higher than when President

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Kennedy had is--it a base for a previous

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visit the the tread and they said they

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backed the object in the trailer into a

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hangar there was a security team put

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around that area they were given a shoot

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to kill order for anybody approached

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that area without the proper

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identification now this fella told me he

431
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was on that team that long he was called

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off from there and do something else but

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he said he heard it wasn't there that

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long that it went over to

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wright-patterson Air Force Base from

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there which other individuals all again

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00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:39,660
different people unknown to each other

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verify the fact that yes it went in to

439
00:17:45,690 --> 00:17:43,510
wright-patterson fact we've know exactly

440
00:17:47,820 --> 00:17:45,700
what good Ian went to one fella even

441
00:17:49,410 --> 00:17:47,830
drew me out of a whole row sketch of all

442
00:17:51,060 --> 00:17:49,420
the buildings and the layouts and he

443
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said you get in and beanie into the base

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I'll show you exactly where was but of

445
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course where it is now we have actually

446
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no idea and I mean I'm convinced with

447
00:18:02,430 --> 00:17:59,770
any doubt whatsoever that an object of

448
00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:02,440
unknown origin did follow that afternoon

449
00:18:06,540 --> 00:18:04,090
outside of Kecksburg be in the military

450
00:18:08,460 --> 00:18:06,550
recovered it what that object was is

451
00:18:10,350 --> 00:18:08,470
still open for speculation but you know

452
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we've had so many people over the years

453
00:18:14,130 --> 00:18:12,550
who have contacted me who believe they

454
00:18:16,140 --> 00:18:14,140
know what it was and there's many many

455
00:18:18,020 --> 00:18:16,150
different theories and everything of

456
00:18:22,140 --> 00:18:18,030
course from you know a Russian satellite

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00:18:24,330 --> 00:18:22,150
to a meteorite to one guy told me he

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will show some type of projectile that

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00:18:29,340 --> 00:18:26,590
was fired from a giant gun and Canada

460
00:18:31,230 --> 00:18:29,350
you know all type of secret things I

461
00:18:33,300 --> 00:18:31,240
mean we've had all kind of people coming

462
00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:33,310
with information but when you try to get

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00:18:37,470 --> 00:18:35,410
information on it or you try to get the

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evidence it just doesn't fit to what we

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know and there you gotta remember

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whatever this thing was back in 1965

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this thing's coming in over a while

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comes in over the first scene you know

469
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over several states it comes in over the

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Greater Pittsburgh area it moves out

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towards the Westmoreland County out

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towards Greensburg and as its passing

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over greens are moving out roughly route

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30 east and makes a turn to the south

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and it's moving out and it's the in

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sequential by people these little

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farming communities it moves out to the

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mountain a plural ville so other people

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around there see this thing up in that

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area and apparently makes a turn it

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comes back towards Kecksburg then it

482
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makes another turn it goes down to the

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woods and what we didn't know at that

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time there was many years later I mean

485
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it was until 1987 that we actually found

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the first eyewitness and was just by

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sheer luck that we found him who claimed

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to have seen this object on the ground

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and we what we now know is that right

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after this thing fell apparently some

491
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individuals locally went down into the

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woods and saw this large metallic acorn

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shaped object semi buried in the ground

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this thing from what we got from our

495
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witnesses is proximately estimated be

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fairly 10 to 12 or feet or one length

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but 8 to 10 feet in diameter as one

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witness who the first wouldn't we met

499
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was Jim romansky 1987 at that time for

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many years he kept anonymous but he was

501
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a mission his background was that of a

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00:20:01,850 --> 00:19:59,520
machinist and he said to him it looked

503
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like somebody took liquid metal of an

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off gold colored liquid metal poured

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into an acorn shaped mold because he

506
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said it was like one saw a piece of

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metal there's no rivets no seams the

508
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fuselage no windows that he could see

509
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because the semi buried in the ground he

510
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couldn't see the bottom and on the

511
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bottom of the raised up the area of the

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acorn are these unusual markings that he

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said were more like symbols and he said

514
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later on after spending a lot of time

515
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going into libraries and looking at

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ancient languages of ancient drawings

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that the closest thing was like ancient

518
00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:32,760
Egyptian hieroglyphics and other

519
00:20:36,710 --> 00:20:34,770
witnesses described seeing the very

520
00:20:39,380 --> 00:20:36,720
similar type of thing in fact the one

521
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witness who contacted me after the

522
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unsolved mysteries show his name we call

523
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which enables Myron and Myron story was

524
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very interesting he called me after the

525
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show air and he said I guess I'm allowed

526
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to talk to you about it now since was on

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television

528
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and of course I asked what are you

529
00:20:56,450 --> 00:20:53,340
talking about and he said well he said

530
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he had worked for a large supply house

531
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in Ohio at

532
00:21:03,030 --> 00:21:00,910
any a Navy officer came in to that

533
00:21:05,490 --> 00:21:03,040
office with a special type of glazed

534
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engineering brick and placed a large

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00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:06,730
order of this to be sent to

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00:21:09,930 --> 00:21:08,170
wright-patterson air force base this was

537
00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:09,940
just two three days after the incident

538
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:13,690
Pennsylvania anyhow the story was that

539
00:21:18,630 --> 00:21:16,210
there was there was two different loads

540
00:21:21,660 --> 00:21:18,640
of Brooks sent into that base the first

541
00:21:23,700 --> 00:21:21,670
day another driver who wouldn't talk to

542
00:21:25,140 --> 00:21:23,710
us at first but later verified the story

543
00:21:27,750 --> 00:21:25,150
he was though the day before my urn was

544
00:21:31,140 --> 00:21:27,760
there he went into the base he was

545
00:21:33,330 --> 00:21:31,150
escorted in sent his supply of bricks

546
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:33,340
into that area and outside this large

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00:21:37,860 --> 00:21:35,410
warehouse building he said was this

548
00:21:39,450 --> 00:21:37,870
flatbed trailer with this tarp object

549
00:21:41,340 --> 00:21:39,460
and he described like a big Liberty Bell

550
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:41,350
from its shape Christiana seed was

551
00:21:46,770 --> 00:21:43,570
covered and the next day both he and

552
00:21:48,870 --> 00:21:46,780
Myron went to the base they were

553
00:21:50,549 --> 00:21:48,880
escorted in they were told to stay with

554
00:21:52,620 --> 00:21:50,559
your vehicle's just do your job don't be

555
00:21:55,169 --> 00:21:52,630
looking around well mine was very

556
00:21:56,549 --> 00:21:55,179
curious because after a period of time

557
00:21:58,830 --> 00:21:56,559
he's seen these guys who used awake

558
00:22:00,530 --> 00:21:58,840
coveralls with sidearms and their

559
00:22:02,580 --> 00:22:00,540
various type of protective clothing and

560
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:02,590
every one small but coming out and

561
00:22:05,850 --> 00:22:04,570
changing or out of clothing he's

562
00:22:07,919 --> 00:22:05,860
wondering like what's going on in there

563
00:22:08,940 --> 00:22:07,929
so when he thought the time was clear

564
00:22:10,799 --> 00:22:08,950
nobody was around

565
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:10,809
he walked overlooked the interest of his

566
00:22:15,210 --> 00:22:12,610
building and he said up in the

567
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:15,220
scaffolding here is his big metallic

568
00:22:18,900 --> 00:22:17,410
again acorn shaped object with the

569
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:18,910
hieroglyphic markings on it there's

570
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:20,410
ladders going up there's men on the

571
00:22:24,510 --> 00:22:22,330
ladder and apparently trying to open

572
00:22:26,190 --> 00:22:24,520
this thing up again side of it and I

573
00:22:27,360 --> 00:22:26,200
guess he asked a few questions and at

574
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:27,370
first they must have thought he was

575
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:28,570
cleared to be there and then they

576
00:22:32,100 --> 00:22:30,610
realized he wasn't and asked what he

577
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:32,110
told me was basically he was pretty much

578
00:22:36,120 --> 00:22:33,970
threatened not to talk about it but they

579
00:22:38,790 --> 00:22:36,130
told him that in 20 years this will all

580
00:22:40,830 --> 00:22:38,800
be public knowledge and he he thought

581
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:40,840
well you know 20 years later and then he

582
00:22:43,890 --> 00:22:42,610
sees the show in 1990 and he and they're

583
00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:43,900
talking about him they said I guess I

584
00:22:48,990 --> 00:22:46,720
love to talk about it now so anyhow you

585
00:22:50,730 --> 00:22:49,000
know we know where the object went to

586
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:50,740
where's that city of course we have no

587
00:22:53,790 --> 00:22:52,210
idea what do you think the bricks are

588
00:22:56,130 --> 00:22:53,800
being used for that the Navy guy ordered

589
00:22:59,549 --> 00:22:56,140
from them well what he told us was that

590
00:23:02,310 --> 00:22:59,559
they actually build this thing up inside

591
00:23:03,630 --> 00:23:02,320
of a building they what I recall is he

592
00:23:06,270 --> 00:23:03,640
said they put some type of a lead-lined

593
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:06,280
seal and also bricked us up with a

594
00:23:10,780 --> 00:23:08,490
special type of engineering brick and

595
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:10,790
basically they put it up inside of

596
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:13,850
building and brick to swing up and so

597
00:23:18,910 --> 00:23:15,650
that that would indicate they may have

598
00:23:21,370 --> 00:23:18,920
had some sort of radiation that's what

599
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:21,380
his that's what his idea was how about

600
00:23:25,180 --> 00:23:22,850
some of your witnesses that were on site

601
00:23:28,210 --> 00:23:25,190
in the woods did anyone ever report any

602
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:28,220
sort of you know things that you would

603
00:23:32,830 --> 00:23:30,290
describe to radiation poisoning did

604
00:23:35,290 --> 00:23:32,840
anybody get sick after they were there

605
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:35,300
the firemen that were part of the search

606
00:23:39,850 --> 00:23:37,850
team I think there was there was one

607
00:23:41,140 --> 00:23:39,860
witness who was relatively closed who

608
00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:41,150
doesn't really like to talk about it

609
00:23:45,790 --> 00:23:43,130
much he has had a lot of history even

610
00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:45,800
more recent years I'm having various

611
00:23:50,290 --> 00:23:48,320
type of physical problems and which he

612
00:23:52,660 --> 00:23:50,300
always thought was being attributed

613
00:23:55,540 --> 00:23:52,670
being close to the object there was a

614
00:23:57,250 --> 00:23:55,550
family named the Hayes family who lived

615
00:23:59,200 --> 00:23:57,260
in a small farming house here running at

616
00:24:02,560 --> 00:23:59,210
the time it was the closest farm house

617
00:24:03,970 --> 00:24:02,570
to the impact site and you saw them they

618
00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:03,980
were on the unsolved mystery show I

619
00:24:08,050 --> 00:24:05,600
believe and they were on my documentary

620
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:08,060
I produced the untold story mrs. Hayes

621
00:24:13,210 --> 00:24:10,450
has now passed away as so many other

622
00:24:14,170 --> 00:24:13,220
very prominent witnesses of the case and

623
00:24:16,030 --> 00:24:14,180
who have gone public

624
00:24:18,130 --> 00:24:16,040
the majority of witness today still have

625
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:18,140
never gone public for various reasons

626
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:19,970
and that just gives them more insight

627
00:24:23,890 --> 00:24:21,890
into their credibility but they had no

628
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:23,900
idea that the little details they gave

629
00:24:27,340 --> 00:24:25,250
me how they verified other people's

630
00:24:30,130 --> 00:24:27,350
account but going back to the Hayes case

631
00:24:31,930 --> 00:24:30,140
they lived in that house that was very

632
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:31,940
close to the impact site the kids in

633
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:33,770
that house the woods was their

634
00:24:37,900 --> 00:24:35,930
playground they knew the woods very well

635
00:24:40,030 --> 00:24:37,910
they played down there every day they

636
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:40,040
were down to the day before and John

637
00:24:44,380 --> 00:24:42,410
Hayes and his brother went down into the

638
00:24:46,030 --> 00:24:44,390
woods the next morning after seeing all

639
00:24:47,950 --> 00:24:46,040
the military activity around their house

640
00:24:49,510 --> 00:24:47,960
having military people actually coming

641
00:24:52,260 --> 00:24:49,520
in and out of their home and actually

642
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:52,270
using the telephone and apparently

643
00:24:55,390 --> 00:24:54,170
reversing the phone calls because they

644
00:24:58,060 --> 00:24:55,400
never had any bills on their phone they

645
00:24:59,410 --> 00:24:58,070
were calling different people and Joe

646
00:25:00,730 --> 00:24:59,420
and his brother went down the next day

647
00:25:02,050 --> 00:25:00,740
first thing they have to do they have to

648
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:02,060
mend this fence out there because he had

649
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:04,490
some cows the military had cut the fence

650
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:06,530
line to take these trucks down to that

651
00:25:08,860 --> 00:25:07,010
area

652
00:25:10,510 --> 00:25:08,870
tantor the impact site because you

653
00:25:12,130 --> 00:25:10,520
couldn't take the trucks actually right

654
00:25:13,860 --> 00:25:12,140
through the impact site because of the

655
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:13,870
tree growth down there you know what

656
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:16,090
we could go into a host show again on

657
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:17,890
Plattsburgh we've already done that I

658
00:25:21,269 --> 00:25:19,090
want to ask a couple of key questions

659
00:25:23,399 --> 00:25:21,279
let's move on to some other cases all

660
00:25:25,500 --> 00:25:23,409
right the mention of radiation is there

661
00:25:28,380 --> 00:25:25,510
any indication the people the witnesses

662
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:28,390
who died did they die prematurely or as

663
00:25:33,299 --> 00:25:31,090
a result of normal factors well you know

664
00:25:35,460 --> 00:25:33,309
we only know of somebody I have names of

665
00:25:38,159 --> 00:25:35,470
people who have given me names of

666
00:25:40,289 --> 00:25:38,169
relatives and there's no way to prove it

667
00:25:41,730 --> 00:25:40,299
and what most people passed away years

668
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:41,740
and years ago before I had the chance to

669
00:25:46,289 --> 00:25:44,890
interview them and there was rumors of

670
00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:46,299
things like that but nothing we can

671
00:25:52,500 --> 00:25:50,559
verify okay now at this point in 2010

672
00:25:55,139 --> 00:25:52,510
you mentioned there are witnesses who

673
00:25:58,200 --> 00:25:55,149
still haven't come forward how do you go

674
00:25:59,519 --> 00:25:58,210
about finding who they are getting them

675
00:26:01,889 --> 00:25:59,529
to talk and getting some more

676
00:26:03,570 --> 00:26:01,899
information about this the whole thing

677
00:26:05,130 --> 00:26:03,580
is even around here there's been a lot

678
00:26:07,820 --> 00:26:05,140
of media coverage a lot of people and

679
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:07,830
whenever you have a media coverage of it

680
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:10,330
sometimes people do decide to come

681
00:26:15,539 --> 00:26:13,210
forward I mean when there was this talk

682
00:26:17,549 --> 00:26:15,549
a number of years ago when the sci-fi

683
00:26:19,919 --> 00:26:17,559
channel was doing a big investigation of

684
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:19,929
the case and they were showing they were

685
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:22,570
doing this very intensely very seriously

686
00:26:26,130 --> 00:26:24,490
than there was there was a lot of new

687
00:26:29,490 --> 00:26:26,140
people that began to come forward at

688
00:26:31,169 --> 00:26:29,500
that time and occasionally I'll get

689
00:26:33,330 --> 00:26:31,179
somebody will come forward a fella came

690
00:26:35,070 --> 00:26:33,340
forward last year that had a little bit

691
00:26:37,049 --> 00:26:35,080
of interesting information but none of

692
00:26:38,610 --> 00:26:37,059
this I mean it's all helps to verify

693
00:26:41,430 --> 00:26:38,620
other people's accounts for what we know

694
00:26:43,230 --> 00:26:41,440
but we just haven't gotten that that one

695
00:26:45,450 --> 00:26:43,240
case that one bit of important

696
00:26:47,130 --> 00:26:45,460
information that might still the case I

697
00:26:49,169 --> 00:26:47,140
mean one of the rumors we've heard for

698
00:26:51,149 --> 00:26:49,179
years and many many people told us this

699
00:26:52,620 --> 00:26:51,159
that there are there are pictures around

700
00:26:54,360 --> 00:26:52,630
somewhere people have seen Blackpoint

701
00:26:56,279 --> 00:26:54,370
pictures that somebody took of the

702
00:26:58,289 --> 00:26:56,289
object back at that time down in the

703
00:26:59,880 --> 00:26:58,299
woods and various people told us they've

704
00:27:01,440 --> 00:26:59,890
actually seen the pictures but nobody's

705
00:27:02,850 --> 00:27:01,450
ever come forward with them and we're

706
00:27:04,529 --> 00:27:02,860
still hopeful someday those pictures

707
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:04,539
might turn up somewhere it's like the

708
00:27:08,639 --> 00:27:06,970
famous Thunderbird photograph from the

709
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:08,649
turn of the century that so many people

710
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:10,210
claim to have seen but nobody could find

711
00:27:13,500 --> 00:27:11,890
a compact

712
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:13,510
speaking of Thunderbirds one of the

713
00:27:18,210 --> 00:27:16,690
things that I was really found I found

714
00:27:19,919 --> 00:27:18,220
really intriguing and really mysterious

715
00:27:22,950 --> 00:27:19,929
Pennsylvania here's some of these

716
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:22,960
amazing Thunderbird sightings including

717
00:27:26,090 --> 00:27:24,210
some

718
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:26,100
broad daylight over shopping centers

719
00:27:31,130 --> 00:27:27,930
landing almost breaking trees and stuff

720
00:27:33,500 --> 00:27:31,140
oh you've had other interesting aerial

721
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:33,510
crypto type phenomena around the area

722
00:27:36,410 --> 00:27:35,250
once you describe some of the reports

723
00:27:38,990 --> 00:27:36,420
that you've had over the years of these

724
00:27:40,900 --> 00:27:39,000
types of objects were crypto creatures

725
00:27:48,830 --> 00:27:40,910
cliffhanger

726
00:27:53,460 --> 00:27:51,150
picture this you're on the phone with a

727
00:27:56,610 --> 00:27:53,470
client or colleague trying to explain

728
00:27:58,860 --> 00:27:56,620
something visual a PowerPoint a keynote

729
00:28:01,500 --> 00:27:58,870
presentation a website but it's

730
00:28:02,310 --> 00:28:01,510
frustrating because they can't see what

731
00:28:05,220 --> 00:28:02,320
you're talking about

732
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:05,230
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733
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734
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735
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736
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737
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738
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[Music]

746
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:08,700
we have Stan Gordon officer a really

747
00:29:11,670 --> 00:29:10,450
mysterious Pennsylvania of the co-host

748
00:29:14,550 --> 00:29:11,680
is Christopher O'Brien

749
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:14,560
he's become a the or hour or something

750
00:29:18,780 --> 00:29:16,210
like that we're just playing with

751
00:29:20,940 --> 00:29:18,790
phrases here yeah dick stack that's

752
00:29:24,990 --> 00:29:20,950
right in the Irish trickster

753
00:29:27,660 --> 00:29:25,000
okay so Thunderbirds Stan what pray tell

754
00:29:29,090 --> 00:29:27,670
is a Thunderbird well ponder brothers

755
00:29:32,220 --> 00:29:29,100
sister has been given to these

756
00:29:35,550 --> 00:29:32,230
reportedly generally very large birds

757
00:29:39,450 --> 00:29:35,560
generally dark and colours are black

758
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:39,460
dark brown but with a huge wingspan that

759
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:41,650
some people estimate to be twenty feet

760
00:29:45,090 --> 00:29:43,690
or more in length and of course you know

761
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:45,100
just like with Bigfoot case another

762
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:47,530
eclipta case we look into summer turned

763
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:49,210
out to be misidentification of other

764
00:29:53,340 --> 00:29:51,850
normal birds in the area like with

765
00:29:55,380 --> 00:29:53,350
Bigfoot we've had some case where tend

766
00:29:56,910 --> 00:29:55,390
to be bear or large shaggy dogs things

767
00:29:58,440 --> 00:29:56,920
along that line but some of these

768
00:30:00,480 --> 00:29:58,450
reports have been very interesting I

769
00:30:01,830 --> 00:30:00,490
mean there was an incident happened I

770
00:30:03,540 --> 00:30:01,840
believe like two years ago that one of

771
00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:03,550
my associates Jim Brown investigated

772
00:30:07,830 --> 00:30:05,440
down on Washington PA it was an

773
00:30:10,620 --> 00:30:07,840
afternoon beautiful afternoon on a major

774
00:30:13,530 --> 00:30:10,630
highway winter is reportedly this huge

775
00:30:15,300 --> 00:30:13,540
almost I used back like creature came

776
00:30:17,700 --> 00:30:15,310
down over top of vehicles with yesterday

777
00:30:19,260 --> 00:30:17,710
to be a 20-foot wingspan people stop

778
00:30:21,510 --> 00:30:19,270
their cars got out of their cars and one

779
00:30:22,950 --> 00:30:21,520
man reportedly got out of the car and he

780
00:30:23,340 --> 00:30:22,960
was seen with the camera taking pictures

781
00:30:24,810 --> 00:30:23,350
of it

782
00:30:27,450 --> 00:30:24,820
but whoever he was he's never come

783
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:27,460
forward and there have been other

784
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:30,010
reports you know even some what we had a

785
00:30:33,330 --> 00:30:32,050
case enough outside of Greensburg here

786
00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:33,340
several years ago where a gentleman

787
00:30:39,030 --> 00:30:36,640
claimed that he saw a huge bird about 60

788
00:30:42,020 --> 00:30:39,040
feet above the truck and Clark traffic

789
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:42,030
got going outside of the town and

790
00:30:46,290 --> 00:30:44,050
there's been many reports I mean

791
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:46,300
historically there's a lot of reports on

792
00:30:49,590 --> 00:30:47,770
what we call the black forest region of

793
00:30:51,090 --> 00:30:49,600
Pennsylvania but it's not just there

794
00:30:52,980 --> 00:30:51,100
they've been reported from all parts of

795
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:52,990
the state in fact I don't have much

796
00:30:56,370 --> 00:30:54,730
information but I just got a report of a

797
00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:56,380
possible one scene they here in

798
00:30:59,490 --> 00:30:58,000
Pennsylvania I'm trying to get a hold of

799
00:31:02,490 --> 00:30:59,500
a minute something the information on it

800
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:02,500
and but by far one of the most

801
00:31:06,390 --> 00:31:04,210
interesting most detailed accounts

802
00:31:07,350 --> 00:31:06,400
happen actually in nearby West Virginia

803
00:31:09,330 --> 00:31:07,360
which I mentioned here in the book

804
00:31:11,130 --> 00:31:09,340
because I interviewed this guy several

805
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:11,140
times he sent me a sketch of what he

806
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:14,170
drew what he had seen and this is one of

807
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:16,570
the most detailed accounts that happened

808
00:31:21,100 --> 00:31:19,130
in the fall of 2007 and

809
00:31:22,990 --> 00:31:21,110
gentleman was driving down the road two

810
00:31:25,210 --> 00:31:23,000
lane highway about eight o'clock in the

811
00:31:27,310 --> 00:31:25,220
morning aside of clendenon West Virginia

812
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:27,320
and he said he's driving down the road

813
00:31:30,790 --> 00:31:28,610
when all of a sudden he had to hit his

814
00:31:32,830 --> 00:31:30,800
brakes because right in front of him it

815
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:32,840
says a huge bird only a few yards away

816
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:36,290
which is feeding on some roadkill and he

817
00:31:39,970 --> 00:31:37,730
said what starring him was the fact that

818
00:31:42,220 --> 00:31:39,980
this thing was so big I mean it stood at

819
00:31:43,510 --> 00:31:42,230
least four feet tall because his head

820
00:31:47,170 --> 00:31:43,520
extended over the roofline of his

821
00:31:49,330 --> 00:31:47,180
vehicle and he said he got a very very

822
00:31:51,130 --> 00:31:49,340
detailed look at this creature he said

823
00:31:52,930 --> 00:31:51,140
that the head was featherless and

824
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:52,940
separated from the rest of the body by a

825
00:31:58,390 --> 00:31:54,650
prominent yellowish orange collar of

826
00:32:00,850 --> 00:31:58,400
plumage the body was basically dark

827
00:32:02,380 --> 00:32:00,860
brown or black with feathers the neck

828
00:32:04,090 --> 00:32:02,390
was long and crooked the beak was

829
00:32:06,940 --> 00:32:04,100
appeared Oracle was pretty large and

830
00:32:08,530 --> 00:32:06,950
long the eyes were dark he said that the

831
00:32:10,180 --> 00:32:08,540
legs were covered in feathers but he

832
00:32:11,590 --> 00:32:10,190
could not see the feet he believed if I

833
00:32:14,500 --> 00:32:11,600
believe rather he said they were pretty

834
00:32:16,180 --> 00:32:14,510
much bare the chest of the the large

835
00:32:17,950 --> 00:32:16,190
bird he said was distinct then it was

836
00:32:20,380 --> 00:32:17,960
well-formed but he said the most

837
00:32:22,450 --> 00:32:20,390
striking feature of all was a huge

838
00:32:24,550 --> 00:32:22,460
wingspan and actually what he did he

839
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:24,560
went back afterwards they measured the

840
00:32:29,710 --> 00:32:26,810
the highway and it was twenty-one feet

841
00:32:31,570 --> 00:32:29,720
across where the expansion of the wings

842
00:32:34,330 --> 00:32:31,580
were parented because it was so close to

843
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:34,340
him he said that the wings as he

844
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:36,050
remember they were like arms of a human

845
00:32:40,420 --> 00:32:38,090
that were attached as I had shoulders in

846
00:32:42,970 --> 00:32:40,430
a very muscular upper torso and the

847
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:42,980
wings were as if they were its arms and

848
00:32:46,330 --> 00:32:44,720
he said it kind of scared at each other

849
00:32:47,890 --> 00:32:46,340
for a minute talk he said he was

850
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:47,900
somewhat too shocked looking at this

851
00:32:52,180 --> 00:32:49,970
thing that the bird became somewhat

852
00:32:54,490 --> 00:32:52,190
startled himself itself he put his head

853
00:32:56,380 --> 00:32:54,500
back when a stared at him and then it

854
00:32:58,870 --> 00:32:56,390
turned around in an awkward mat and a

855
00:33:02,110 --> 00:32:58,880
manner tried to run off and as though

856
00:33:03,340 --> 00:33:02,120
trying to fly off and it was jumping

857
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:03,350
like from one foot to the other or

858
00:33:08,500 --> 00:33:05,330
hopping viana with its wings flapping to

859
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:08,510
gain speed to take off and he said that

860
00:33:12,910 --> 00:33:11,360
when it it was moving its wings that the

861
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:12,920
Lynx tip says she stirred up the dust

862
00:33:16,300 --> 00:33:14,330
and the gravel on both sides of the road

863
00:33:18,670 --> 00:33:16,310
as it became airborne flew up over the

864
00:33:21,220 --> 00:33:18,680
trees and was gone and he said later he

865
00:33:23,140 --> 00:33:21,230
went and did some research trying to

866
00:33:25,810 --> 00:33:23,150
find a bird that would look closely said

867
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:25,820
the clothes naked crime was a territory

868
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:29,010
which of course was an extinct bird yes

869
00:33:34,190 --> 00:33:31,170
to believe that this is anything other

870
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:34,200
than a real creature that maybe we don't

871
00:33:38,390 --> 00:33:36,210
see too often because they stay away

872
00:33:40,670 --> 00:33:38,400
well we could well be it's just the fact

873
00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:40,680
that a 21 foot wingspan it's just

874
00:33:44,690 --> 00:33:42,320
unbelievable

875
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:44,700
it's kind of difficult unless it's

876
00:33:49,250 --> 00:33:46,290
hiding in the mountains somewhere or in

877
00:33:51,020 --> 00:33:49,260
the forest right and again you know it's

878
00:33:52,580 --> 00:33:51,030
not the case here where you suck you

879
00:33:54,590 --> 00:33:52,590
think's on the a half a mile away and

880
00:33:56,090 --> 00:33:54,600
you can misidentified her you know not

881
00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:56,100
the problem not properly judge the

882
00:33:59,810 --> 00:33:58,050
actual size this was very very close

883
00:34:01,850 --> 00:33:59,820
range and there have been some other

884
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:01,860
reports or a relatively close range as

885
00:34:05,780 --> 00:34:03,450
well I mean there was an incident

886
00:34:07,310 --> 00:34:05,790
happened years ago out here at the

887
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:07,320
Westmoreland mall they had a story out

888
00:34:11,540 --> 00:34:09,330
here which sells tickets for different

889
00:34:14,030 --> 00:34:11,550
shows in the Pittsburgh area a walk walk

890
00:34:15,860 --> 00:34:14,040
shows and whatever so the kids during

891
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:15,870
the years ago they used to line up all

892
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:18,210
night long stand in line to get their

893
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:20,130
tickets well on this one particular

894
00:34:24,500 --> 00:34:22,050
night I guess it was a clear moonlit

895
00:34:25,850 --> 00:34:24,510
night and what I was told was it was a

896
00:34:27,260 --> 00:34:25,860
bunch of people out there standing

897
00:34:29,300 --> 00:34:27,270
around all of a sudden it was this big

898
00:34:31,129 --> 00:34:29,310
shadow came over top of them from the

899
00:34:32,720 --> 00:34:31,139
wooded area from behind the mall the

900
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:32,730
saying comes right over top of them and

901
00:34:37,250 --> 00:34:35,370
they got a good look at this giant bird

902
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:37,260
that they said best thing they could

903
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:39,810
describe was like a pterodactyl and they

904
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:41,370
got a pretty good look at it and they

905
00:34:45,919 --> 00:34:43,290
were pretty much her Cup in looking

906
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:45,929
cases like this do you see cases outside

907
00:34:49,879 --> 00:34:47,850
of Pennsylvania with similar creatures

908
00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:49,889
other than Virginia you were mentioning

909
00:34:55,460 --> 00:34:52,800
it before yeah that was in West Virginia

910
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:55,470
right and I think Chris hit Chris have

911
00:34:59,120 --> 00:34:56,850
you might have some cases that your way

912
00:35:02,090 --> 00:34:59,130
of these giant birds yeah I have

913
00:35:05,750 --> 00:35:02,100
actually right around it seems that they

914
00:35:09,260 --> 00:35:05,760
the only places that I've had reports of

915
00:35:11,930 --> 00:35:09,270
them or stories in most cases I've only

916
00:35:15,140 --> 00:35:11,940
had actually one report but I have been

917
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:15,150
told stories that indicate the border

918
00:35:19,340 --> 00:35:16,770
area between Colorado and New Mexico and

919
00:35:21,950 --> 00:35:19,350
the San Luis Valley cheated over to the

920
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:21,960
east side of the valley is where these

921
00:35:26,780 --> 00:35:25,170
types of huge flying creatures if for

922
00:35:30,819 --> 00:35:26,790
lack of a better word have been seen and

923
00:35:34,059 --> 00:35:30,829
one actual report from 86

924
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:34,069
was a what was described as a 30 to 40

925
00:35:39,009 --> 00:35:36,890
foot wingspan of a huge bird and it was

926
00:35:40,690 --> 00:35:39,019
described it's almost like being a bird

927
00:35:42,430 --> 00:35:40,700
but it seemed like it was like a hole in

928
00:35:47,199 --> 00:35:42,440
the sky which I found is a very

929
00:35:49,839 --> 00:35:47,209
interesting description that it appeared

930
00:35:51,940 --> 00:35:49,849
to be a negative space in the sky but it

931
00:35:53,859 --> 00:35:51,950
was you know silhouetted against a blue

932
00:35:56,019 --> 00:35:53,869
sky during the day but you couldn't

933
00:35:57,339 --> 00:35:56,029
really see any details on it it's almost

934
00:35:58,959 --> 00:35:57,349
like you could see the the flight

935
00:36:00,459 --> 00:35:58,969
feathers you could see the shape of the

936
00:36:02,829 --> 00:36:00,469
head the shape of the wings a shape of

937
00:36:04,749 --> 00:36:02,839
the tail but there was no detail it's

938
00:36:07,089 --> 00:36:04,759
almost like it was absorbing light and

939
00:36:10,479 --> 00:36:07,099
this was an ex Vietnam that trained

940
00:36:12,190 --> 00:36:10,489
observer he had also two other witnesses

941
00:36:15,279 --> 00:36:12,200
with him when he when they saw this

942
00:36:18,099 --> 00:36:15,289
thing and there have been reports around

943
00:36:20,349 --> 00:36:18,109
the Four Corners area over the years of

944
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:20,359
these large flying birds and of course

945
00:36:26,410 --> 00:36:24,650
down in South I think southwestern Texas

946
00:36:28,569 --> 00:36:26,420
in the last few years have been some

947
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:28,579
reports of what you know people are

948
00:36:32,410 --> 00:36:30,170
describing is similar why you just

949
00:36:35,499 --> 00:36:32,420
described as some sort of pterodactyl or

950
00:36:37,059 --> 00:36:35,509
tirana Don type type creature say there

951
00:36:38,739 --> 00:36:37,069
have been yeah and there have been a

952
00:36:41,559 --> 00:36:38,749
report of many other states as windup

953
00:36:43,390 --> 00:36:41,569
just for example Texas Illinois and just

954
00:36:45,189 --> 00:36:43,400
several years ago there was that big

955
00:36:47,229 --> 00:36:45,199
national news story about the pilot up

956
00:36:48,759 --> 00:36:47,239
in Alaska who had encountered it as a

957
00:36:50,499 --> 00:36:48,769
huge bird which he said had about the

958
00:36:52,660 --> 00:36:50,509
same wingspan and so the aircraft the

959
00:36:54,939 --> 00:36:52,670
small aircraft he was flying so these

960
00:36:56,410 --> 00:36:54,949
things are being seen throughout the

961
00:36:58,269 --> 00:36:56,420
country and other parts of the world as

962
00:36:59,589 --> 00:36:58,279
well something similar anyhow yeah

963
00:37:01,509 --> 00:36:59,599
there's the famous ones in New Guinea

964
00:37:03,459 --> 00:37:01,519
that come down and in our grave-robbers

965
00:37:05,890 --> 00:37:03,469
that come down they they have some sort

966
00:37:07,809 --> 00:37:05,900
of luminescence they actually give off

967
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:07,819
light they're only seen basically during

968
00:37:12,939 --> 00:37:09,890
the night and they fly down and and they

969
00:37:15,009 --> 00:37:12,949
they dig up graves freshly infirm bodies

970
00:37:17,140 --> 00:37:15,019
and stuff there's a monster quest I

971
00:37:19,660 --> 00:37:17,150
think did a a very interesting segment

972
00:37:22,029 --> 00:37:19,670
last season on these things this is

973
00:37:23,890 --> 00:37:22,039
something that has you know if you do

974
00:37:25,539 --> 00:37:23,900
some research which I have done into the

975
00:37:26,949 --> 00:37:25,549
Thunderbird phenomenon David hatchet

976
00:37:28,779 --> 00:37:26,959
Childress also has done quite a bit of

977
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:28,789
research these types of legends are

978
00:37:32,859 --> 00:37:30,890
found worldwide so it's it's we're not

979
00:37:35,229 --> 00:37:32,869
dealing with something isolated I think

980
00:37:37,660 --> 00:37:35,239
two one one or two specific areas this

981
00:37:39,609 --> 00:37:37,670
is a worldwide paranormal phenomenon for

982
00:37:42,370 --> 00:37:39,619
lack of a better term how far back in

983
00:37:43,370 --> 00:37:42,380
history can you find these cases that's

984
00:37:45,710 --> 00:37:43,380
a good question

985
00:37:48,170 --> 00:37:45,720
you know I'd have to I'd have to kind of

986
00:37:51,559 --> 00:37:48,180
revisit my research on that I there are

987
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:51,569
legendary accounts it all depends on how

988
00:37:55,039 --> 00:37:52,890
you define a case

989
00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:55,049
my definition of a case is a date and

990
00:38:00,349 --> 00:37:58,170
time and location but rumors and stories

991
00:38:02,269 --> 00:38:00,359
go back and you know all the way back

992
00:38:04,130 --> 00:38:02,279
into them and probably in the prehistory

993
00:38:05,269 --> 00:38:04,140
I would think those are all traditions

994
00:38:08,210 --> 00:38:05,279
of these things in Native American

995
00:38:10,009 --> 00:38:08,220
cultures for instance that that go back

996
00:38:13,569 --> 00:38:10,019
you know hundreds if not a thousand or

997
00:38:17,779 --> 00:38:13,579
plus years so this is I think a very

998
00:38:19,370 --> 00:38:17,789
prevalent albeit very rare but but

999
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:19,380
prevalent in terms of its proximity

1000
00:38:23,329 --> 00:38:21,599
around the world there are these cases

1001
00:38:26,150 --> 00:38:23,339
being reported one of the few places

1002
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:26,160
that I haven't seen many references to

1003
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:28,170
Thunderbirds in South America for some

1004
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:30,930
reason I've not really encountered many

1005
00:38:36,349 --> 00:38:34,650
very few if any reports or stories or

1006
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:36,359
legends of these things down there for

1007
00:38:39,859 --> 00:38:37,920
some reason now in terms of

1008
00:38:42,019 --> 00:38:39,869
investigating something like this you

1009
00:38:46,900 --> 00:38:42,029
have the eyewitness reports but how do

1010
00:38:51,710 --> 00:38:49,819
something I really want to run far away

1011
00:38:53,509 --> 00:38:51,720
if I saw one of these things it's easy

1012
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:53,519
Jane just just pull out your friendly

1013
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:56,450
neighborhood sting or any aircraft

1014
00:39:01,490 --> 00:39:00,000
portable device yeah it's probably the

1015
00:39:03,259 --> 00:39:01,500
certain way people are trying to deal

1016
00:39:05,420 --> 00:39:03,269
with catch you can eat a nine foot tall

1017
00:39:07,309 --> 00:39:05,430
bigfoot-type creatures as well yeah well

1018
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:07,319
let's let's remind our listeners that

1019
00:39:11,150 --> 00:39:09,210
the largest bird that flies is a

1020
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:11,160
California condor which has a wingspan

1021
00:39:16,789 --> 00:39:15,210
maybe of nine feet most of the large

1022
00:39:19,009 --> 00:39:16,799
ones are around eight feet there may be

1023
00:39:21,710 --> 00:39:19,019
one or two that are just have a slightly

1024
00:39:23,509 --> 00:39:21,720
larger wingspan which I have seen on

1025
00:39:25,279 --> 00:39:23,519
numerous occasions up at the Grand

1026
00:39:27,019 --> 00:39:25,289
Canyon there's eight of them up there

1027
00:39:28,970 --> 00:39:27,029
and boy when you see them the first time

1028
00:39:30,650 --> 00:39:28,980
I saw one it flew 20 feet over my head I

1029
00:39:32,990 --> 00:39:30,660
was standing on the rim I had no idea

1030
00:39:34,579 --> 00:39:33,000
was coming and when it went over I

1031
00:39:36,230 --> 00:39:34,589
thought it was an airplane we have a

1032
00:39:38,359 --> 00:39:36,240
first split second because it was so

1033
00:39:41,390 --> 00:39:38,369
huge and when they fly their wings

1034
00:39:43,130 --> 00:39:41,400
rarely flap and only when they catch a

1035
00:39:45,319 --> 00:39:43,140
thermal later they can their wings will

1036
00:39:48,140 --> 00:39:45,329
be Stockstill for quite quite a long

1037
00:39:49,730 --> 00:39:48,150
time so you know 9 foot is impressive to

1038
00:39:52,750 --> 00:39:49,740
see something you know over twice that

1039
00:39:54,580 --> 00:39:52,760
size to me would be quite

1040
00:39:55,690 --> 00:39:54,590
quite an experience I would love to see

1041
00:39:59,320 --> 00:39:55,700
something like that especially if I had

1042
00:40:01,150 --> 00:39:59,330
a video camera in my hand well someone

1043
00:40:02,290 --> 00:40:01,160
has that maybe we'd get some answers

1044
00:40:10,319 --> 00:40:02,300
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1045
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:13,420
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1046
00:40:18,099 --> 00:40:15,530
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1048
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1057
00:41:04,530 --> 00:41:01,490
[Applause]

1058
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:04,540
we have Stan Gordon he's author of a

1059
00:41:07,770 --> 00:41:05,680
book called really mysterious

1060
00:41:09,870 --> 00:41:07,780
Pennsylvania and with a Thunderbird

1061
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:09,880
phenomenon we're covering something

1062
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:12,010
that's happening quite a ways around the

1063
00:41:15,660 --> 00:41:14,170
world one of the crazy theories that

1064
00:41:18,030 --> 00:41:15,670
comes to me of course when we get into

1065
00:41:20,130 --> 00:41:18,040
the paranormal realms is whether and

1066
00:41:22,350 --> 00:41:20,140
maybe this is like the TV series fringe

1067
00:41:24,780 --> 00:41:22,360
you know where they see occasionally

1068
00:41:26,790 --> 00:41:24,790
this other reality that maybe we're

1069
00:41:28,890 --> 00:41:26,800
seeing another reality where these

1070
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:28,900
things are front and center and it was a

1071
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:31,330
TV show called prime evil of course also

1072
00:41:37,590 --> 00:41:35,650
on BBC that had that same kind of stick

1073
00:41:40,170 --> 00:41:37,600
in other words being able to see

1074
00:41:42,300 --> 00:41:40,180
something in an alternate reality so is

1075
00:41:44,490 --> 00:41:42,310
there anything to look at in terms of

1076
00:41:47,010 --> 00:41:44,500
that how do you even prove it well you

1077
00:41:49,290 --> 00:41:47,020
know going back to the 1973 wave which

1078
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:49,300
was just an incredible time to live

1079
00:41:55,110 --> 00:41:52,690
through back in 1973 to 1974 which is

1080
00:41:56,340 --> 00:41:55,120
gonna be a topic of my second book which

1081
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:56,350
I've been working on these books for

1082
00:41:58,650 --> 00:41:57,490
quite a while and the solid book

1083
00:42:00,570 --> 00:41:58,660
hopefully will be up next three months

1084
00:42:02,670 --> 00:42:00,580
it's gonna be called silent invasion the

1085
00:42:05,970 --> 00:42:02,680
Pennsylvania UFO Bigfoot case book and

1086
00:42:09,330 --> 00:42:05,980
it focuses on the events of 1973 in the

1087
00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:09,340
1974 it was just an amazing time to live

1088
00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:11,200
through and blame me had I not been

1089
00:42:14,790 --> 00:42:12,730
directly involved and lived through it

1090
00:42:17,870 --> 00:42:14,800
myself be very difficult for me they

1091
00:42:22,140 --> 00:42:17,880
even accept some of what was going on

1092
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:22,150
feeling exactly and would you like me to

1093
00:42:25,950 --> 00:42:24,130
give you a little scenario begin about

1094
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:25,960
what happened back in 73 and I was

1095
00:42:31,950 --> 00:42:29,650
started please okay well December 1973

1096
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:31,960
there have been a lot of activity going

1097
00:42:37,740 --> 00:42:34,210
on as you remember in 1973 in the fall

1098
00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:37,750
of 73 the United States had this major

1099
00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:39,760
wave of UFO activity going on across the

1100
00:42:43,860 --> 00:42:41,920
country there was a lot of reports going

1101
00:42:45,870 --> 00:42:43,870
on and radio and TV at the time but here

1102
00:42:48,180 --> 00:42:45,880
in Pennsylvania it actually started on

1103
00:42:50,340 --> 00:42:48,190
January 1st and it continued all year

1104
00:42:52,860 --> 00:42:50,350
long across the state we were very very

1105
00:42:54,900 --> 00:42:52,870
busy back then I had my first research

1106
00:42:57,780 --> 00:42:54,910
group which was a Westmoreland County

1107
00:42:59,820 --> 00:42:57,790
UFO study group when I set this group up

1108
00:43:02,670 --> 00:42:59,830
it was my determination try to set up a

1109
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:02,680
group a fast response type of team of

1110
00:43:06,570 --> 00:43:04,810
research people that would try to get to

1111
00:43:08,340 --> 00:43:06,580
the scene of these events hopefully

1112
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:08,350
while the phenomena was ongoing or soon

1113
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:11,050
after so the information was fresh

1114
00:43:15,060 --> 00:43:13,450
and with my electronics background we

1115
00:43:16,370 --> 00:43:15,070
set up a two-way radio system where we

1116
00:43:18,150 --> 00:43:16,380
were able to radio dispatch

1117
00:43:20,550 --> 00:43:18,160
investigators to the scene in certain

1118
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:20,560
areas so anyhow how this all started was

1119
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:24,610
it was August 2 773 I received a phone

1120
00:43:30,900 --> 00:43:27,610
call from a relative of a person who had

1121
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:30,910
had an unusual event happened outside of

1122
00:43:35,310 --> 00:43:32,890
Greensburg on a rural area not far from

1123
00:43:36,690 --> 00:43:35,320
the old Green Gate mall area and this

1124
00:43:39,570 --> 00:43:36,700
fellow apparently had been in the

1125
00:43:41,700 --> 00:43:39,580
hospital sense of time it happened and

1126
00:43:43,740 --> 00:43:41,710
he had just gotten home that day and

1127
00:43:46,230 --> 00:43:43,750
they pulled me I need to contact him and

1128
00:43:48,570 --> 00:43:46,240
which I did and I went out to his house

1129
00:43:51,210 --> 00:43:48,580
the event actually happened on July 31st

1130
00:43:52,980 --> 00:43:51,220
that evening it was a warm evening he

1131
00:43:54,510 --> 00:43:52,990
had his a window up in the bathroom is

1132
00:43:56,730 --> 00:43:54,520
shady because it was getting up early

1133
00:43:59,250 --> 00:43:56,740
for work and he was doing what he always

1134
00:44:00,840 --> 00:43:59,260
did and he happened to turn around began

1135
00:44:03,300 --> 00:44:00,850
to smell this funny odor first kind of

1136
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:03,310
like a rotten cucumber he told me there

1137
00:44:06,690 --> 00:44:04,720
were some dogs outside they weren't

1138
00:44:08,670 --> 00:44:06,700
making any noise but when he turned

1139
00:44:10,890 --> 00:44:08,680
around to the window here's these two

1140
00:44:12,780 --> 00:44:10,900
large glowing red eyes looking at him in

1141
00:44:14,910 --> 00:44:12,790
a window but the windows 8 feet off the

1142
00:44:15,930 --> 00:44:14,920
ground so he runs into the other room

1143
00:44:18,060 --> 00:44:15,940
and y'all some of the other family

1144
00:44:19,740 --> 00:44:18,070
members and they run in and there's

1145
00:44:21,180 --> 00:44:19,750
nothing in a window at that time but

1146
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:21,190
they could smell the odd odor

1147
00:44:25,470 --> 00:44:23,770
so anyhow this guy had some history I

1148
00:44:27,720 --> 00:44:25,480
believe of a hard condition I guess he

1149
00:44:30,090 --> 00:44:27,730
was taken to the hospital ambulance and

1150
00:44:31,290 --> 00:44:30,100
was in there for a while so any I went

1151
00:44:33,540 --> 00:44:31,300
out to interview him that same day

1152
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:33,550
August the 7th and he told me about his

1153
00:44:38,010 --> 00:44:35,530
experience it seemed very sincere still

1154
00:44:41,420 --> 00:44:38,020
very very upset while we're there I

1155
00:44:45,090 --> 00:44:41,430
learned from his wife that some of the

1156
00:44:47,670 --> 00:44:45,100
local boys had number of weeks before

1157
00:44:49,290 --> 00:44:47,680
but taking a was taking a shortcut over

1158
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:49,300
to the mall through the wooded area and

1159
00:44:55,170 --> 00:44:52,210
they had not experienced what I was told

1160
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:55,180
was that they were walking down the road

1161
00:44:58,590 --> 00:44:56,530
heard some noise at her left thought it

1162
00:45:01,050 --> 00:44:58,600
was a deer in the and the bushes over

1163
00:45:02,850 --> 00:45:01,060
there or thrown some rocks in instead of

1164
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:02,860
a deer coming out here comes this very

1165
00:45:08,220 --> 00:45:06,010
large hairy man-like upright creature

1166
00:45:11,100 --> 00:45:08,230
walked across the road with a long

1167
00:45:13,170 --> 00:45:11,110
stride very long arms went up behind the

1168
00:45:15,390 --> 00:45:13,180
heel off behind these peoples home well

1169
00:45:16,740 --> 00:45:15,400
luckily some of those boys were around

1170
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:16,750
the area I got to talk to him that day

1171
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:18,850
they told him about their experience and

1172
00:45:22,260 --> 00:45:21,010
I said to him well you mind if I go up

1173
00:45:24,140 --> 00:45:22,270
and look on your property up around the

1174
00:45:25,730 --> 00:45:24,150
hill and they said sure go ahead

1175
00:45:27,170 --> 00:45:25,740
some of the boys won the company up

1176
00:45:28,010 --> 00:45:27,180
there and they did and we walked around

1177
00:45:29,720 --> 00:45:28,020
there for a while

1178
00:45:31,069 --> 00:45:29,730
looked around didn't we see much of

1179
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:31,079
anything I'm just getting ready to leave

1180
00:45:36,410 --> 00:45:34,079
when I have logged down and right there

1181
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:36,420
on the ground is the strangest footprint

1182
00:45:39,500 --> 00:45:38,130
I had ever seen the kids were just

1183
00:45:40,910 --> 00:45:39,510
amazed like they couldn't believe what

1184
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:40,920
they were seeing either I got on radio

1185
00:45:46,190 --> 00:45:42,930
called one of my other associates they

1186
00:45:47,630 --> 00:45:46,200
brought out some casting material and we

1187
00:45:49,700 --> 00:45:47,640
took photographs of measurements made a

1188
00:45:52,039 --> 00:45:49,710
cast of that cast which was a three-toed

1189
00:45:54,349 --> 00:45:52,049
footprint 13 inches long and 8 inches

1190
00:45:56,299 --> 00:45:54,359
wide did they volunteer to take you out

1191
00:46:02,750 --> 00:45:56,309
there or did you ask to be taken out

1192
00:46:04,519 --> 00:46:02,760
there yeah I'm very important because

1193
00:46:06,380 --> 00:46:04,529
they did not volunteer to take you to

1194
00:46:08,599 --> 00:46:06,390
the spot which it indicates to me that

1195
00:46:10,130 --> 00:46:08,609
it wasn't a hoax oh well the point was I

1196
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:10,140
didn't even know anything about this - I

1197
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:12,210
got there and the and the boys came

1198
00:46:15,890 --> 00:46:14,010
later the mother the parents were

1199
00:46:17,390 --> 00:46:15,900
telling me about the story first I had

1200
00:46:20,059 --> 00:46:17,400
no idea when a guys or anything about

1201
00:46:21,470 --> 00:46:20,069
the second event and then we went up

1202
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:21,480
there and looked around and I mean you

1203
00:46:24,289 --> 00:46:22,890
could tell they were all pretty startled

1204
00:46:26,450 --> 00:46:24,299
pretty shook up seeing that footprint

1205
00:46:28,490 --> 00:46:26,460
anyhow as I said we look around while

1206
00:46:30,349 --> 00:46:28,500
I'm out in the field we get a radio

1207
00:46:31,789 --> 00:46:30,359
report - one of my other investigators

1208
00:46:33,410 --> 00:46:31,799
from up in Beaver County north of

1209
00:46:36,079 --> 00:46:33,420
Pittsburgh almost the Ohio Line that

1210
00:46:38,900 --> 00:46:36,089
same morning was investigating an

1211
00:46:40,670 --> 00:46:38,910
incident where man up in a trailer has

1212
00:46:42,589 --> 00:46:40,680
seen this large creature with glowing

1213
00:46:44,539 --> 00:46:42,599
eyes I remember looking in the window

1214
00:46:46,700 --> 00:46:44,549
and the police have found some large

1215
00:46:49,220 --> 00:46:46,710
strange footprints up there so that was

1216
00:46:52,039 --> 00:46:49,230
this beginning of this series of events

1217
00:46:54,380 --> 00:46:52,049
that began to occur and you know

1218
00:46:56,150 --> 00:46:54,390
historically you know you get these

1219
00:46:58,220 --> 00:46:56,160
reports of a Bigfoot sighting in one

1220
00:47:00,559 --> 00:46:58,230
particular area and sometimes they make

1221
00:47:02,450 --> 00:47:00,569
some news but what happened here was it

1222
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:02,460
wasn't just one localized small area

1223
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:04,650
this was taking place over seven

1224
00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:06,450
counties in western Pennsylvania and

1225
00:47:09,859 --> 00:47:08,640
then down at the same time down around

1226
00:47:11,750 --> 00:47:09,869
Lancaster in the eastern part of the

1227
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:11,760
state in the Pennsylvania Dutch country

1228
00:47:15,319 --> 00:47:13,890
the farmers down there reporting similar

1229
00:47:17,660 --> 00:47:15,329
activity as well and there were

1230
00:47:19,819 --> 00:47:17,670
multitudes of these creature cases I

1231
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:19,829
mean I thought on my radio room here

1232
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:21,930
were being monitored 24 hours a day with

1233
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:24,000
calls coming in it was unbelievable I

1234
00:47:27,650 --> 00:47:25,890
mean I had two phone lines operating at

1235
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:27,660
the time for the calls coming in and at

1236
00:47:31,609 --> 00:47:30,000
least twice in one week as I recall the

1237
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:31,619
system went down the phone company said

1238
00:47:34,819 --> 00:47:32,970
never seen like it before from the

1239
00:47:35,330 --> 00:47:34,829
overload of calls coming in putting into

1240
00:47:38,300 --> 00:47:35,340
all the

1241
00:47:40,340 --> 00:47:38,310
back in 1960 a rather than 73 we had

1242
00:47:41,570 --> 00:47:40,350
teams going out 24 hours a day I mean we

1243
00:47:43,370 --> 00:47:41,580
were out in the middle of no man's land

1244
00:47:44,750 --> 00:47:43,380
to 3 o'clock in the morning where people

1245
00:47:46,670 --> 00:47:44,760
are seeing these things many of these

1246
00:47:48,890 --> 00:47:46,680
were also daylight sightings and when I

1247
00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:48,900
tell you some people within 10 feet of

1248
00:47:52,580 --> 00:47:50,640
some of these things that's what some of

1249
00:47:54,530 --> 00:47:52,590
the reports were it was just incredible

1250
00:47:56,990 --> 00:47:54,540
and there were many many good sightings

1251
00:47:58,640 --> 00:47:57,000
plus the fact that back then a lot of

1252
00:48:00,110 --> 00:47:58,650
the calls were initially coming in first

1253
00:48:02,210 --> 00:48:00,120
to the either the news me or the police

1254
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:02,220
department who quite often referring the

1255
00:48:06,740 --> 00:48:04,650
calls over us to investigate so in some

1256
00:48:08,300 --> 00:48:06,750
cases you had the local or state police

1257
00:48:11,540 --> 00:48:08,310
investigates some of the cases as well

1258
00:48:13,580 --> 00:48:11,550
and it was just an amazing time but what

1259
00:48:15,380 --> 00:48:13,590
was so intriguing is that in some of

1260
00:48:17,300 --> 00:48:15,390
these cases we were out there within

1261
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:17,310
minutes hours after they occurred

1262
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:19,410
you saw the emotion of the witnesses

1263
00:48:22,850 --> 00:48:21,090
people very very upset

1264
00:48:24,590 --> 00:48:22,860
I mean sometimes men out there shaking

1265
00:48:26,270 --> 00:48:24,600
with guns in her hands at least two

1266
00:48:28,850 --> 00:48:26,280
cases I can recall where people actually

1267
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:28,860
took clothing and left their their homes

1268
00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:30,570
for a period of time because they were

1269
00:48:34,580 --> 00:48:32,880
so shocked by what they saw in a lot of

1270
00:48:37,250 --> 00:48:34,590
cases various types of physical evidence

1271
00:48:39,050 --> 00:48:37,260
not just you know just footprints but

1272
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:39,060
sometimes other physical evidence he

1273
00:48:42,620 --> 00:48:40,770
indicates something moving through the

1274
00:48:45,020 --> 00:48:42,630
area you know broken down brush or

1275
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:45,030
things like that one case was amazing

1276
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:46,890
where something this creature was being

1277
00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:48,930
chased as I recall we didn't get the

1278
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:50,640
word on this tool sometime later

1279
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:53,370
unfortunately but went through at a

1280
00:48:58,130 --> 00:48:56,370
grove of pine trees and was apparently

1281
00:49:00,020 --> 00:48:58,140
just pulling these small pine trees out

1282
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:00,030
as I was walking through we doing some

1283
00:49:04,940 --> 00:49:01,650
pictures of those uprooted pine trees

1284
00:49:07,580 --> 00:49:04,950
and it was just an amazing time I can

1285
00:49:09,370 --> 00:49:07,590
tell you back in 1973 oh I remember I

1286
00:49:11,720 --> 00:49:09,380
was working at a radio station in

1287
00:49:12,830 --> 00:49:11,730
Southeast Pennsylvania at the time and

1288
00:49:15,410 --> 00:49:12,840
we were getting all sorts of reports

1289
00:49:18,740 --> 00:49:15,420
what occurs to me here is the CSI

1290
00:49:21,410 --> 00:49:18,750
viewpoint of 2010 we've got all this

1291
00:49:25,550 --> 00:49:21,420
forensic evidence has anyone thought of

1292
00:49:27,050 --> 00:49:25,560
getting DNA sampling testing to see what

1293
00:49:29,540 --> 00:49:27,060
they could learn about all these samples

1294
00:49:30,740 --> 00:49:29,550
well you got to remember back in 73 we

1295
00:49:34,220 --> 00:49:30,750
didn't have access a lot of that

1296
00:49:37,730 --> 00:49:34,230
information back then but we did have

1297
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:37,740
some samples and back then you had Ivan

1298
00:49:41,660 --> 00:49:39,930
Sanderson group that he had formed

1299
00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:41,670
called the Society for the investigators

1300
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:43,680
he unexplained set to up in New Jersey

1301
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:47,040
and they had some consultants on some

1302
00:49:49,009 --> 00:49:48,570
pretty good scientific consultants back

1303
00:49:51,349 --> 00:49:49,019
then

1304
00:49:54,199 --> 00:49:51,359
but everybody was limited to the

1305
00:49:56,449 --> 00:49:54,209
capabilities of that time and we did

1306
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:56,459
send off some samples I could tell about

1307
00:50:00,559 --> 00:49:58,079
some of those stories and they'll be

1308
00:50:04,579 --> 00:50:00,569
mentioned in the book coming up solid

1309
00:50:06,349 --> 00:50:04,589
invasion but the only one sampled that

1310
00:50:07,789 --> 00:50:06,359
was kind of interesting and again these

1311
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:07,799
things are all apparently destroyed

1312
00:50:12,259 --> 00:50:09,599
because none of them were ever returned

1313
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:12,269
on the samples we sent out but most of

1314
00:50:17,149 --> 00:50:13,729
the samples they were able to identify

1315
00:50:20,809 --> 00:50:17,159
but the thing I'm asking here is yes we

1316
00:50:23,299 --> 00:50:20,819
know about technology in 1973 but today

1317
00:50:25,219 --> 00:50:23,309
do you have any samples left that you

1318
00:50:28,039 --> 00:50:25,229
can analyze using today's scientific

1319
00:50:29,689 --> 00:50:28,049
techniques unfortunately not nope

1320
00:50:31,999 --> 00:50:29,699
because we gave up pretty much every we

1321
00:50:33,439 --> 00:50:32,009
had back at that time so we do not and

1322
00:50:35,029 --> 00:50:33,449
was a limited amount of what we did at

1323
00:50:37,039 --> 00:50:35,039
back then what about the official

1324
00:50:38,749 --> 00:50:37,049
response you got calls from the State

1325
00:50:40,849 --> 00:50:38,759
Police and everyone else you know we

1326
00:50:43,609 --> 00:50:40,859
know I deal with this you figure it out

1327
00:50:46,909 --> 00:50:43,619
was there ever an official explanation

1328
00:50:49,309 --> 00:50:46,919
for any of this stuff no official

1329
00:50:51,199 --> 00:50:49,319
explanation but I can tell you even the

1330
00:50:53,299 --> 00:50:51,209
number of newspaper stories that talked

1331
00:50:55,489 --> 00:50:53,309
about investigation of different police

1332
00:50:57,079 --> 00:50:55,499
departments at the time even cases where

1333
00:50:58,909 --> 00:50:57,089
you have police officers and witnesses

1334
00:51:01,159 --> 00:50:58,919
in some cases across the state with some

1335
00:51:03,679 --> 00:51:01,169
of the UFO cases while there was no

1336
00:51:05,359 --> 00:51:03,689
official explanation there was nothing

1337
00:51:07,459 --> 00:51:05,369
that I can recall most those cases were

1338
00:51:09,469 --> 00:51:07,469
they yes said they were hoaxes either I

1339
00:51:11,059 --> 00:51:09,479
and I can tell you and I can give you

1340
00:51:13,069 --> 00:51:11,069
detail of some of the really intriguing

1341
00:51:15,589 --> 00:51:13,079
case because your question was about

1342
00:51:18,319 --> 00:51:15,599
some of the unusual aspects could there

1343
00:51:20,629 --> 00:51:18,329
be a physical and non-physical aspect to

1344
00:51:23,749 --> 00:51:20,639
some of these cases and I can tell you

1345
00:51:26,659 --> 00:51:23,759
as we went into those reports in 1973 we

1346
00:51:28,339 --> 00:51:26,669
are very open-minded our position was to

1347
00:51:31,309 --> 00:51:28,349
seek out the information where the

1348
00:51:33,620 --> 00:51:31,319
evidence led us to initially as we're

1349
00:51:35,029 --> 00:51:33,630
going in we're thinking well as many

1350
00:51:36,529 --> 00:51:35,039
people thought before we appear to be

1351
00:51:39,859 --> 00:51:36,539
initially done with some type of unknown

1352
00:51:42,139 --> 00:51:39,869
primates but as time went on and months

1353
00:51:44,269 --> 00:51:42,149
went on and more reports came in we

1354
00:51:47,089 --> 00:51:44,279
began to get some very unusual reports

1355
00:51:48,679 --> 00:51:47,099
from the general public and these were

1356
00:51:51,109 --> 00:51:48,689
not people who had an interest in UFOs

1357
00:51:52,939 --> 00:51:51,119
or big thing like that in particular and

1358
00:51:55,069 --> 00:51:52,949
just a couple of I can tell you about

1359
00:51:58,489 --> 00:51:55,079
one was the case having September of

1360
00:51:59,749 --> 00:51:58,499
Beaver County where our two young ladies

1361
00:52:00,889 --> 00:51:59,759
were waiting for a friend to pick them

1362
00:52:02,270 --> 00:52:00,899
up they are standing outside in this

1363
00:52:04,720 --> 00:52:02,280
rural area

1364
00:52:06,830 --> 00:52:04,730
and all of a sudden this huge white

1365
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:06,840
light-colored hairy Bigfoot creature

1366
00:52:12,140 --> 00:52:09,210
comes running across through that area

1367
00:52:14,300 --> 00:52:12,150
seeing the creature alone was unusual

1368
00:52:16,970 --> 00:52:14,310
but what was most fascinating was it was

1369
00:52:20,060 --> 00:52:16,980
carrying a small glowing sphere in its

1370
00:52:22,070 --> 00:52:20,070
one hand a sphere light so it's running

1371
00:52:23,870 --> 00:52:22,080
into this wooded area and a short time

1372
00:52:25,010 --> 00:52:23,880
later this object comes down what's your

1373
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:25,020
first they thought it was an aircraft

1374
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:26,850
but it moves over the area slowly and it

1375
00:52:30,950 --> 00:52:28,530
projects a beam of light down into the

1376
00:52:33,170 --> 00:52:30,960
woods where the creature had run into so

1377
00:52:34,730 --> 00:52:33,180
that was a very interesting case like

1378
00:52:37,460 --> 00:52:34,740
what are we dealing with here

1379
00:52:39,350 --> 00:52:37,470
and then we had that classic case which

1380
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:39,360
I'm sure you have heard about and I've

1381
00:52:43,070 --> 00:52:40,650
talked about many times and will be

1382
00:52:45,890 --> 00:52:43,080
detailed the book which occurred October

1383
00:52:49,100 --> 00:52:45,900
25th 1973 up again in Fayette County

1384
00:52:50,630 --> 00:52:49,110
a sunny union town I got a call from the

1385
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:50,640
state trooper up there'd be investing

1386
00:52:53,240 --> 00:52:51,810
officer around duck

1387
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:53,250
that right after he came back from the

1388
00:52:58,220 --> 00:52:55,290
investigation after he was interviewed

1389
00:53:00,440 --> 00:52:58,230
as well about it and just briefly when I

1390
00:53:02,930 --> 00:53:00,450
go into all the details this happened

1391
00:53:04,910 --> 00:53:02,940
and about 9 o'clock that evening there's

1392
00:53:06,770 --> 00:53:04,920
about 15 people in a small rural

1393
00:53:09,770 --> 00:53:06,780
community out there to see this large

1394
00:53:11,570 --> 00:53:09,780
but as big as a barn a red sphere light

1395
00:53:15,620 --> 00:53:11,580
dropping from the sky slowly towards the

1396
00:53:17,420 --> 00:53:15,630
pasture well the farmer son who's quite

1397
00:53:18,250 --> 00:53:17,430
a big fella and to neighbor boys decided

1398
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:18,260
they were going to go up to investigate

1399
00:53:24,250 --> 00:53:21,330
so the farmer son gave them to his dad's

1400
00:53:26,570 --> 00:53:24,260
house and he grabs a 30.6 some

1401
00:53:30,170 --> 00:53:26,580
ammunition which included some tracer

1402
00:53:31,910 --> 00:53:30,180
rounds and he and the two fellows go

1403
00:53:34,220 --> 00:53:31,920
down this little farm road up toward the

1404
00:53:36,170 --> 00:53:34,230
pasture they left the lights on on the

1405
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:36,180
truck to help light their way it was

1406
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:38,610
dark of course and they noticed that it

1407
00:53:43,370 --> 00:53:41,010
looked like the power was training in

1408
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:43,380
the truck the lights were the bright

1409
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:45,330
lights were getting much darker and they

1410
00:53:49,070 --> 00:53:47,010
should have been and is that somebody

1411
00:53:51,500 --> 00:53:49,080
was training in the power they go up to

1412
00:53:53,390 --> 00:53:51,510
the field and as I get up there they're

1413
00:53:55,130 --> 00:53:53,400
amazed to see this huge object which is

1414
00:53:57,530 --> 00:53:55,140
not round anymore it's like half of a

1415
00:53:59,120 --> 00:53:57,540
dome but it's now bright white it's

1416
00:54:01,580 --> 00:53:59,130
illuminating the whole area it's

1417
00:54:03,230 --> 00:54:01,590
approximate 254 your way as I recall and

1418
00:54:05,210 --> 00:54:03,240
it's making this real high-pitched

1419
00:54:07,730 --> 00:54:05,220
humming sound it said almost like a loud

1420
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:07,740
lawnmower but as they're going up to

1421
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:09,210
that area they also heared like these

1422
00:54:13,130 --> 00:54:11,970
baby crying sounds so they get up to the

1423
00:54:15,230 --> 00:54:13,140
top of the field and they're watching

1424
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:15,240
this thing and they're all pretty shook

1425
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:15,850
up and the

1426
00:54:20,370 --> 00:54:18,130
boys very very shook up already but then

1427
00:54:23,100 --> 00:54:20,380
they noticed about 75 feet away I won

1428
00:54:25,500 --> 00:54:23,110
this fence line of these two Paul

1429
00:54:27,090 --> 00:54:25,510
figures slowly moving in their direction

1430
00:54:28,590 --> 00:54:27,100
well they thought at first they were

1431
00:54:31,260 --> 00:54:28,600
bare and they realize these things are

1432
00:54:33,300 --> 00:54:31,270
bipedal they're very tall once maybe a

1433
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:33,310
foot taller setters maybe around 7 foot

1434
00:54:36,720 --> 00:54:33,760
tall

1435
00:54:38,270 --> 00:54:36,730
they have long matted hair the arms are

1436
00:54:41,220 --> 00:54:38,280
down past the knees almost to the ground

1437
00:54:42,990 --> 00:54:41,230
they're walking upright one behind you

1438
00:54:45,330 --> 00:54:43,000
get along this fence they have glowing

1439
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:45,340
luminous green eyes there's this funny

1440
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:47,050
smell in here like burning rubber and

1441
00:54:51,210 --> 00:54:49,090
they're making these baby crying sounds

1442
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:51,220
well the one kid is young the other guy

1443
00:54:54,540 --> 00:54:52,690
shoot him shoot him he's getting very

1444
00:54:58,370 --> 00:54:54,550
upset he finally runs out of the field

1445
00:55:01,110 --> 00:54:58,380
and goes home so finally the fella fires

1446
00:55:02,610 --> 00:55:01,120
tortoise to want the creatures he did he

1447
00:55:04,740 --> 00:55:02,620
had a trace around it so it's just a

1448
00:55:06,300 --> 00:55:04,750
flash of light he fires a second one

1449
00:55:08,490 --> 00:55:06,310
which is also a tracer when he finds

1450
00:55:10,950 --> 00:55:08,500
that second tracer the larger the two

1451
00:55:13,710 --> 00:55:10,960
creatures reaches out to grab that

1452
00:55:16,740 --> 00:55:13,720
tracer and at the moment it does that

1453
00:55:19,020 --> 00:55:16,750
the object in the field vanishes it

1454
00:55:21,810 --> 00:55:19,030
doesn't take off it's gone it disappears

1455
00:55:24,330 --> 00:55:21,820
the sound stops the light goes out it's

1456
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:24,340
not longer there at that point the

1457
00:55:27,720 --> 00:55:26,170
creatures turn around slowly start

1458
00:55:29,130 --> 00:55:27,730
walking back along the fence line back

1459
00:55:32,250 --> 00:55:29,140
towards the woods from where they came

1460
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:32,260
the foul on now is firing live ammo

1461
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:34,090
right into them and he said I'm a hunter

1462
00:55:37,590 --> 00:55:36,010
I know I hit that larger creature but it

1463
00:55:39,270 --> 00:55:37,600
it didn't even indicate it was heard

1464
00:55:41,910 --> 00:55:39,280
they just kept moving slowly back away

1465
00:55:43,290 --> 00:55:41,920
from them they got out of the woods they

1466
00:55:44,550 --> 00:55:43,300
were in back to the home they told a

1467
00:55:45,750 --> 00:55:44,560
family what happened they took him to a

1468
00:55:48,030 --> 00:55:45,760
neighbor some they call the State Police

1469
00:55:49,710 --> 00:55:48,040
about 45 minutes later the trooper

1470
00:55:51,660 --> 00:55:49,720
arrives on the scene I'm here to

1471
00:55:53,010 --> 00:55:51,670
investigate the flying saucer and the

1472
00:55:54,870 --> 00:55:53,020
witness said you know forget about it

1473
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:54,880
and think I'm not to the trooper said we

1474
00:55:58,440 --> 00:55:56,650
had a report of two similar creatures up

1475
00:56:00,540 --> 00:55:58,450
on the mountain the night before I have

1476
00:56:02,460 --> 00:56:00,550
to investigate him so they go up in the

1477
00:56:05,370 --> 00:56:02,470
patrol car up into the past up into the

1478
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:05,380
field as a trooper had told me they go

1479
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:06,850
over to the area where the object have

1480
00:56:10,350 --> 00:56:08,650
been on the ground and he said that

1481
00:56:13,020 --> 00:56:10,360
whole area appeared to be supersoft

1482
00:56:17,070 --> 00:56:13,030
luminescent glowing about 100 150 feet

1483
00:56:19,740 --> 00:56:17,080
in diameter well yeah the farm animals

1484
00:56:22,710 --> 00:56:19,750
wouldn't go any more into it they said

1485
00:56:24,150 --> 00:56:22,720
the light from it was bright enough that

1486
00:56:25,770 --> 00:56:24,160
if he sat down within and he could read

1487
00:56:28,050 --> 00:56:25,780
a newspaper from what from the light

1488
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:28,060
coming off of it and there's a lot more

1489
00:56:32,070 --> 00:56:29,770
to the story but any

1490
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:32,080
how the trooper and the other guys

1491
00:56:35,130 --> 00:56:33,370
finally go back to the State Police

1492
00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:35,140
barracks when they get back to their

1493
00:56:38,130 --> 00:56:36,730
boat separately taking the two different

1494
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:38,140
rooms but the trooper and the other guy

1495
00:56:41,100 --> 00:56:40,450
are interviewed by other troopers after

1496
00:56:43,230 --> 00:56:41,110
they're done

1497
00:56:44,910 --> 00:56:43,240
the trooper calls me and he says I think

1498
00:56:46,620 --> 00:56:44,920
that there's a possibility of something

1499
00:56:48,510 --> 00:56:46,630
still up here you need to get up here as

1500
00:56:50,340 --> 00:56:48,520
soon as you can with a team so we're

1501
00:56:51,660 --> 00:56:50,350
quite a distance away it took a little

1502
00:56:53,820 --> 00:56:51,670
time to get our team together get our

1503
00:56:56,430 --> 00:56:53,830
equipment and stuff together but we got

1504
00:56:58,590 --> 00:56:56,440
out the early morning hours and by the

1505
00:57:00,780 --> 00:56:58,600
time we got there the the luminous area

1506
00:57:01,950 --> 00:57:00,790
was no longer luminous the animal still

1507
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:01,960
won't go anywhere near it

1508
00:57:05,340 --> 00:57:03,970
and there were some other things that

1509
00:57:07,590 --> 00:57:05,350
happen which are very interesting but

1510
00:57:09,240 --> 00:57:07,600
too long to get into right now to detail

1511
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:09,250
to collect any plant plant and soil

1512
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:10,570
samples by it by chance

1513
00:57:14,550 --> 00:57:13,930
back then it was we did not at that time

1514
00:57:19,860 --> 00:57:14,560
I

1515
00:57:22,530 --> 00:57:19,870
we did and there was a lot more that was

1516
00:57:24,060 --> 00:57:22,540
going on there which very unusual things

1517
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:24,070
that were happening involving the

1518
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:26,410
witness at the time in fact we had dr.

1519
00:57:30,510 --> 00:57:28,090
Schwartz come in the doctor swore she

1520
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:30,520
made birth on Schwartz who severe it was

1521
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:32,050
where it very well known in the field

1522
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:34,690
Joe has written several books he was in

1523
00:57:38,030 --> 00:57:36,370
New Jersey at the time and actually he

1524
00:57:41,580 --> 00:57:38,040
came up here and spent a week up here

1525
00:57:44,700 --> 00:57:41,590
with the people involved and there was

1526
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:44,710
some circumstances at the time that we

1527
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:46,810
just weren't able to follow through like

1528
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:49,090
we generally would have done is that I

1529
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:50,650
can recall on that but because I don't

1530
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:52,210
recall any samples being taken that I

1531
00:57:56,610 --> 00:57:55,330
recall what you describing what you

1532
00:57:58,200 --> 00:57:56,620
described it really does sound like a

1533
00:58:00,600 --> 00:57:58,210
pair of physical event as opposed to

1534
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:00,610
something we know nuts and bolts I mean

1535
00:58:06,180 --> 00:58:02,170
I mean there may be a nuts and bolts

1536
00:58:08,010 --> 00:58:06,190
element or or quality to the report and

1537
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:08,020
into the experience but the fact that

1538
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:10,690
the object vanished and that ice

1539
00:58:15,780 --> 00:58:12,730
creatures were not recoiling from being

1540
00:58:17,250 --> 00:58:15,790
hit by a 30.6 rounded two or three would

1541
00:58:18,900 --> 00:58:17,260
suggest to me that there's some sort of

1542
00:58:20,700 --> 00:58:18,910
dimensional thing going on or something

1543
00:58:24,060 --> 00:58:20,710
pair of physical going on

1544
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:24,070
now I what you what distance away was

1545
00:58:27,510 --> 00:58:25,930
this particular event from the event

1546
00:58:28,590 --> 00:58:27,520
where the Bigfoot was seen with the

1547
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:28,600
glowing ball of light and then

1548
00:58:32,849 --> 00:58:31,810
subsequent flyover with the the objects

1549
00:58:35,420 --> 00:58:32,859
shooting down the beam of

1550
00:58:40,529 --> 00:58:35,430
that was that was quite a distance away

1551
00:58:43,410 --> 00:58:40,539
this was a time by Emily yeah top of my

1552
00:58:44,940 --> 00:58:43,420
head maybe I'm guessing 70 18 miles

1553
00:58:47,009 --> 00:58:44,950
behind you miles somewhere around there

1554
00:58:49,710 --> 00:58:47,019
proximate more well how about time

1555
00:58:52,650 --> 00:58:49,720
proximity what was the timing on the two

1556
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:52,660
events oh this one doesn't happen not

1557
00:58:56,549 --> 00:58:54,970
being the one with the glowing sphere or

1558
00:58:57,660 --> 00:58:56,559
what happened in September 27th it's

1559
00:59:00,210 --> 00:58:57,670
October 25th

1560
00:59:02,130 --> 00:59:00,220
okay so within a month of one another

1561
00:59:05,130 --> 00:59:02,140
yeah and there was a lot of stuff and

1562
00:59:07,349 --> 00:59:05,140
then if you the other story that's most

1563
00:59:09,229 --> 00:59:07,359
fascinating which gives you a better

1564
00:59:12,839 --> 00:59:09,239
glimpse of what we might be dealing with

1565
00:59:14,460 --> 00:59:12,849
happened February 6th of 1974 in that

1566
00:59:18,299 --> 00:59:14,470
same County but not in that same general

1567
00:59:20,519 --> 00:59:18,309
area and it's probably one of the most

1568
00:59:22,259 --> 00:59:20,529
fascinating cases we've ever had and

1569
00:59:24,690 --> 00:59:22,269
we'll talk about it by the way in part

1570
00:59:26,279 --> 00:59:24,700
two of this episode Stan Gordon tell our

1571
00:59:29,039 --> 00:59:26,289
listeners where they can find more about

1572
00:59:30,749 --> 00:59:29,049
the things that you do well people can

1573
00:59:34,549 --> 00:59:30,759
get an autograph copy of the book really

1574
00:59:39,059 --> 00:59:34,559
mysterious Pennsylvania by going to WWE

1575
00:59:41,069 --> 00:59:39,069
and info INF oh and they can go to their

1576
00:59:43,109 --> 00:59:41,079
website and get current information and

1577
00:59:44,930 --> 00:59:43,119
they can also order the book and also

1578
00:59:47,220 --> 00:59:44,940
they can obtain a copy of my

1579
00:59:49,650 --> 00:59:47,230
award-winning video Kecksburg the untold

1580
00:59:50,819 --> 00:59:49,660
story which is also on DVD hmm but

1581
00:59:54,229 --> 00:59:50,829
you're not gonna do a blu-ray version

1582
00:59:58,470 --> 00:59:56,640
we'll have Stan Gordon with co-host

1583
01:00:04,349 --> 00:59:58,480
Christopher O'Brien coming up on the

1584
01:00:05,099 --> 01:00:04,359
other side of the Peres cast we want to

1585
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:05,109
hear from you

1586
01:00:09,870 --> 01:00:06,970
if you have a comment or question about

1587
01:00:13,109 --> 01:00:09,880
the podcast send it to news at the

1588
01:00:15,599 --> 01:00:13,119
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1589
01:00:16,979 --> 01:00:15,609
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1590
01:00:19,470 --> 01:00:16,989
forums where you can talk to fellow

1591
01:00:22,109 --> 01:00:19,480
listeners just go to the pear cast calm

1592
01:00:31,780 --> 01:00:22,119
and click on the forum links that's the

1593
01:00:40,599 --> 01:00:34,490
welcome back to the part goes with jeans

1594
01:00:45,549 --> 01:00:43,209
we continue with Stan Gordon he is a

1595
01:00:47,499 --> 01:00:45,559
longtime paranormal researcher started

1596
01:00:50,199 --> 01:00:47,509
when he was a teenager as many of us did

1597
01:00:52,269 --> 01:00:50,209
author of a new book called really

1598
01:00:53,650 --> 01:00:52,279
mysterious Pennsylvania and we're

1599
01:00:55,870 --> 01:00:53,660
finding that the really mysterious

1600
01:00:57,910 --> 01:00:55,880
aspect doesn't just cover Pennsylvania

1601
01:00:59,729 --> 01:00:57,920
but a wide portion of the world

1602
01:01:01,839 --> 01:00:59,739
Christopher O'Brien is our co-host

1603
01:01:03,939 --> 01:01:01,849
before we broke for the halfway point

1604
01:01:05,589 --> 01:01:03,949
Stan you were about to start with

1605
01:01:08,169 --> 01:01:05,599
another case history can you continue

1606
01:01:09,819 --> 01:01:08,179
please sure and gene by the way actually

1607
01:01:12,729 --> 01:01:09,829
started when I was 10 years old back in

1608
01:01:13,599 --> 01:01:12,739
1959 so I'm approaching 51 years this

1609
01:01:16,660 --> 01:01:13,609
year that I've been doing this

1610
01:01:19,150 --> 01:01:16,670
investigation and I've never had a UFO a

1611
01:01:21,579 --> 01:01:19,160
Bigfoot study myself and as Steve Allen

1612
01:01:23,620 --> 01:01:21,589
once said you must be very tired some

1613
01:01:26,109 --> 01:01:23,630
days I am let me tell you you know going

1614
01:01:28,689 --> 01:01:26,119
back to this events of 73 and again

1615
01:01:30,309 --> 01:01:28,699
going into this open-mindedly looking

1616
01:01:32,890 --> 01:01:30,319
into all aspects of what we're dealing

1617
01:01:34,419 --> 01:01:32,900
with these creature reports and I still

1618
01:01:35,979 --> 01:01:34,429
keep an open mind today because we don't

1619
01:01:38,349 --> 01:01:35,989
have any definitive answers as to what

1620
01:01:40,059 --> 01:01:38,359
really was going on or what the

1621
01:01:42,309 --> 01:01:40,069
phenomena really is revealing to us at

1622
01:01:44,799 --> 01:01:42,319
this point but we had these unusual

1623
01:01:46,839 --> 01:01:44,809
reports and we had incidents out there

1624
01:01:49,209 --> 01:01:46,849
where for example we had trails of

1625
01:01:50,439 --> 01:01:49,219
footprints that just suddenly stopped

1626
01:01:52,689 --> 01:01:50,449
and vanished when there should have been

1627
01:01:54,189 --> 01:01:52,699
more footprints a lot of other

1628
01:01:58,199 --> 01:01:54,199
mysterious events that happened during

1629
01:02:00,699 --> 01:01:58,209
this wave in 73 and 74 and by far

1630
01:02:02,650 --> 01:02:00,709
probably the most interesting case that

1631
01:02:04,660 --> 01:02:02,660
came up that makes us begin to wonder

1632
01:02:08,349 --> 01:02:04,670
exactly what we're dealing with happened

1633
01:02:09,789 --> 01:02:08,359
February 6 of 1974 now those people who

1634
01:02:12,459 --> 01:02:09,799
were living back at that time you'll

1635
01:02:14,349 --> 01:02:12,469
remember that time period because there

1636
01:02:16,660 --> 01:02:14,359
was a national trucker strike going on

1637
01:02:18,669 --> 01:02:16,670
there was gas rationing happening and

1638
01:02:22,059 --> 01:02:18,679
there was some violence on the highways

1639
01:02:23,489 --> 01:02:22,069
so here in Pennsylvania you had both the

1640
01:02:27,130 --> 01:02:23,499
State Police and the National Guard

1641
01:02:28,719 --> 01:02:27,140
patrolling together so on this event but

1642
01:02:30,849 --> 01:02:28,729
the state police and National Guardsmen

1643
01:02:33,489 --> 01:02:30,859
responded this incident this happened

1644
01:02:35,199 --> 01:02:33,499
towards the Ohio Pyle fair Kenney way

1645
01:02:38,559 --> 01:02:35,209
way up in the mountains way out and

1646
01:02:40,209 --> 01:02:38,569
sticks and what we learn was that this

1647
01:02:42,099 --> 01:02:40,219
woman who lived out in the country all

1648
01:02:43,900 --> 01:02:42,109
her life do the animals wasn't pretty

1649
01:02:46,509 --> 01:02:43,910
much afraid of anything living this

1650
01:02:48,219 --> 01:02:46,519
little cabin out there her daughter and

1651
01:02:50,499 --> 01:02:48,229
son Los Angeles about a hundred feet

1652
01:02:52,390 --> 01:02:50,509
away from them and another dwelling and

1653
01:02:54,549 --> 01:02:52,400
anyhow she was in her house that night

1654
01:02:55,079 --> 01:02:54,559
just doing what she normally does and

1655
01:02:58,859 --> 01:02:55,089
she

1656
01:03:02,069 --> 01:02:58,869
has some garbage out there and there was

1657
01:03:04,019 --> 01:03:02,079
some pop garbage cancer so tin cans and

1658
01:03:05,969 --> 01:03:04,029
she heard him cans rattling there have

1659
01:03:07,410 --> 01:03:05,979
been a pack of wild dogs have been

1660
01:03:09,299 --> 01:03:07,420
coming through that area recently she

1661
01:03:11,969 --> 01:03:09,309
figured the dogs were back so she loads

1662
01:03:13,769 --> 01:03:11,979
up her shotgun and she's going to open

1663
01:03:15,359 --> 01:03:13,779
up the door and her idea was to fire

1664
01:03:18,029 --> 01:03:15,369
over the heads of the dogs and scare the

1665
01:03:20,339 --> 01:03:18,039
dogs away so she loads up the shotgun

1666
01:03:22,529 --> 01:03:20,349
she turns on the porch light she opens

1667
01:03:25,109 --> 01:03:22,539
the door she steps out and instead of

1668
01:03:26,969 --> 01:03:25,119
the dogs being there just a few feet

1669
01:03:30,029 --> 01:03:26,979
away directly in front of her it's this

1670
01:03:31,589 --> 01:03:30,039
huge hairy creature and I remember

1671
01:03:33,420 --> 01:03:31,599
exactly what she told me she said I look

1672
01:03:35,219 --> 01:03:33,430
like a great big hairy ape with its arms

1673
01:03:37,019 --> 01:03:35,229
straight up over its edie and what

1674
01:03:39,630 --> 01:03:37,029
should she do she fires right into it

1675
01:03:41,729 --> 01:03:39,640
and she said there was a bright flash of

1676
01:03:44,039 --> 01:03:41,739
white like somebody took a picture with

1677
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:44,049
a camera she said to me and it vanished

1678
01:03:48,420 --> 01:03:46,690
right in front of it it was gone now the

1679
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:48,430
people 100 feet away heard the gunshot

1680
01:03:51,420 --> 01:03:50,650
call it NASA what's going on so she told

1681
01:03:53,729 --> 01:03:51,430
him what happened

1682
01:03:55,170 --> 01:03:53,739
so the son-in-law grabs his pistol and

1683
01:03:57,329 --> 01:03:55,180
he makes his way up towards the house

1684
01:04:00,239 --> 01:03:57,339
and what he said was that he was

1685
01:04:02,569 --> 01:04:00,249
surrounded by four or five hairy beings

1686
01:04:05,099 --> 01:04:02,579
with glowing red eyes like coals of fire

1687
01:04:06,839 --> 01:04:05,109
and he starts shooting randomly at him

1688
01:04:09,239 --> 01:04:06,849
and ran into the house and when they

1689
01:04:11,069 --> 01:04:09,249
looked out the window above the trees

1690
01:04:13,019 --> 01:04:11,079
there's this large object he said like a

1691
01:04:14,609 --> 01:04:13,029
big Christmas ornament different color

1692
01:04:16,559 --> 01:04:14,619
lights on hovering over the trees at the

1693
01:04:19,380 --> 01:04:16,569
same time so they called the State

1694
01:04:22,109 --> 01:04:19,390
Police and by the time - State Police

1695
01:04:24,509 --> 01:04:22,119
got out there of course whatever was

1696
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:24,519
there was gone but I thought we couldn't

1697
01:04:27,479 --> 01:04:26,170
get up here the next morning I went up

1698
01:04:29,519 --> 01:04:27,489
there with my one of my associate

1699
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:29,529
investigators we got up to the scene we

1700
01:04:35,849 --> 01:04:32,410
met another animal enforcement officer

1701
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:35,859
up there and we talked about people

1702
01:04:40,380 --> 01:04:38,890
involved and very very upset over what

1703
01:04:42,599 --> 01:04:40,390
happened the night before talked to the

1704
01:04:44,579 --> 01:04:42,609
witness involved and in fact when we

1705
01:04:45,930 --> 01:04:44,589
went out there with the looking through

1706
01:04:47,459 --> 01:04:45,940
the trees in the woods out there right

1707
01:04:47,849 --> 01:04:47,469
in line where she had shot of this

1708
01:04:49,559 --> 01:04:47,859
creature

1709
01:04:53,309 --> 01:04:49,569
we found that bebe patterned in the

1710
01:04:55,469 --> 01:04:53,319
trees out there and anyhow if this case

1711
01:04:56,999 --> 01:04:55,479
is real and it was asking no reason to

1712
01:04:58,709 --> 01:04:57,009
doubt that these people were telling us

1713
01:05:00,809 --> 01:04:58,719
what they believed to be true I mean why

1714
01:05:02,969 --> 01:05:00,819
would you make up such a story then it

1715
01:05:03,749 --> 01:05:02,979
leads us to wonder you know what exactly

1716
01:05:06,029 --> 01:05:03,759
are we dealing with

1717
01:05:07,410 --> 01:05:06,039
you know I investigate hundreds of

1718
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:07,420
Bigfoot sightings here in Pennsylvania

1719
01:05:11,700 --> 01:05:08,650
over the years and talked a lot

1720
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:11,710
very very credible people I mean just

1721
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:13,770
like with UFOs you have police officers

1722
01:05:18,510 --> 01:05:16,690
you know you have all kinds of people

1723
01:05:22,110 --> 01:05:18,520
all kind of backgrounds young children

1724
01:05:23,700 --> 01:05:22,120
adults males females and majorities

1725
01:05:25,710 --> 01:05:23,710
people don't want any publicity they're

1726
01:05:27,180 --> 01:05:25,720
not I'm trying to seek anything most of

1727
01:05:29,220 --> 01:05:27,190
them have been extremely shook up by the

1728
01:05:31,110 --> 01:05:29,230
experience I mean I've been in touch

1729
01:05:32,370 --> 01:05:31,120
with some people from 20 years ago or

1730
01:05:34,290 --> 01:05:32,380
more who had a Bigfoot sighting and

1731
01:05:35,670 --> 01:05:34,300
today they're still shook up over and

1732
01:05:37,710 --> 01:05:35,680
they still don't want to deal with what

1733
01:05:40,290 --> 01:05:37,720
they experienced why would you make up

1734
01:05:41,790 --> 01:05:40,300
such a story so the thing is and I've

1735
01:05:43,770 --> 01:05:41,800
always said this four years ago like the

1736
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:43,780
skeptic saying if these creatures are

1737
01:05:47,730 --> 01:05:45,610
really out there and and the

1738
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:47,740
circumstantial evidence is overwhelming

1739
01:05:51,930 --> 01:05:50,170
that there is something out there people

1740
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:51,940
are seeing the question is as the

1741
01:05:57,240 --> 01:05:54,850
skeptic say hey why haven't we found any

1742
01:05:58,740 --> 01:05:57,250
bodies why has tomato on a car well

1743
01:06:00,060 --> 01:05:58,750
haven't I found any bones little woods

1744
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:00,070
and of course there's a lot of theories

1745
01:06:04,350 --> 01:06:02,770
on this but it just doesn't make a lot

1746
01:06:06,180 --> 01:06:04,360
of central all the reports just in

1747
01:06:07,410 --> 01:06:06,190
Pennsylvania alone not to look at all

1748
01:06:08,430 --> 01:06:07,420
the reports throughout the country and

1749
01:06:11,580 --> 01:06:08,440
throughout the world or something

1750
01:06:13,500 --> 01:06:11,590
similar no question and maybe we should

1751
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:13,510
be exploring right now for a few moments

1752
01:06:19,020 --> 01:06:16,330
Stan okay why isn't there more evidence

1753
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:19,030
if we have this flurry of cases in

1754
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:20,650
Pennsylvania and elsewhere strange

1755
01:06:24,900 --> 01:06:22,570
creatures Thunderbirds Bigfoot

1756
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:24,910
Littlefoot whatever where is all the

1757
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:27,730
evidence of their existence why are they

1758
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:30,130
here and not here well this is what I've

1759
01:06:33,630 --> 01:06:31,930
been saying myself you look at the case

1760
01:06:35,220 --> 01:06:33,640
like that you look at some of the other

1761
01:06:37,050 --> 01:06:35,230
cases we had that we've looked at over

1762
01:06:38,940 --> 01:06:37,060
the years some of these things that

1763
01:06:42,180 --> 01:06:38,950
happen especially during this wave in 73

1764
01:06:44,130 --> 01:06:42,190
which makes one wonder if we're dealing

1765
01:06:46,170 --> 01:06:44,140
with something that has a physical and a

1766
01:06:48,330 --> 01:06:46,180
non-physical aspect to it why is there

1767
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:48,340
not more physical evidence probably the

1768
01:06:52,380 --> 01:06:50,530
best evidence we saw at the scene that

1769
01:06:54,630 --> 01:06:52,390
some of these events including this one

1770
01:06:56,790 --> 01:06:54,640
up in Ohio pile which I didn't see but I

1771
01:06:58,830 --> 01:06:56,800
interviewed the investigating state

1772
01:07:00,540 --> 01:06:58,840
trooper who was there and he said to me

1773
01:07:02,250 --> 01:07:00,550
what was so amazing when he got to the

1774
01:07:03,930 --> 01:07:02,260
scene was how the animals were

1775
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:03,940
responding and this is something we've

1776
01:07:07,410 --> 01:07:05,290
seen a different case specially with

1777
01:07:09,420 --> 01:07:07,420
dogs at some of these Bigfoot cases

1778
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:09,430
where when these creatures are close to

1779
01:07:14,670 --> 01:07:12,010
the dogs they are just like paralyzed in

1780
01:07:15,990 --> 01:07:14,680
fear they won't bark they're shaking

1781
01:07:18,599 --> 01:07:16,000
they won't move

1782
01:07:19,890 --> 01:07:18,609
sometimes this goes on for you know they

1783
01:07:21,690 --> 01:07:19,900
are more depending on a circumstance

1784
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:21,700
sometimes they won't even eat probably

1785
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:24,250
for two or three days later and other

1786
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:26,290
people reported in some of the cases yet

1787
01:07:31,170 --> 01:07:29,410
other types of cattle horses cats inside

1788
01:07:32,820 --> 01:07:31,180
of people's homes like hiding underneath

1789
01:07:33,810 --> 01:07:32,830
the beds and acting with a jelly

1790
01:07:35,609 --> 01:07:33,820
normally would

1791
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:35,619
I remember in this particular case I

1792
01:07:38,010 --> 01:07:36,730
believe it was a big I think in this

1793
01:07:40,859 --> 01:07:38,020
case it was a young baby in the house

1794
01:07:42,450 --> 01:07:40,869
people saying how unusual upset that

1795
01:07:43,589 --> 01:07:42,460
baby was at night which the baby never

1796
01:07:47,580 --> 01:07:43,599
reacted like that before

1797
01:07:49,349 --> 01:07:47,590
so again I keep an open mind to all

1798
01:07:51,930 --> 01:07:49,359
aspects of the Bigfoot phenomenon other

1799
01:07:54,330 --> 01:07:51,940
ask and other types of crypto cases but

1800
01:07:56,730 --> 01:07:54,340
I think we cannot exclude the

1801
01:07:58,349 --> 01:07:56,740
possibility that only in some of these

1802
01:08:00,870 --> 01:07:58,359
type of reports I'm not saying all

1803
01:08:02,010 --> 01:08:00,880
species are like this but we may be done

1804
01:08:03,510 --> 01:08:02,020
with something has a physical or

1805
01:08:05,339 --> 01:08:03,520
non-physical aspect to it

1806
01:08:08,010 --> 01:08:05,349
you mentioned the dogs of course dogs

1807
01:08:09,330 --> 01:08:08,020
other animals being sensitive the things

1808
01:08:12,870 --> 01:08:09,340
that we can't see or hear

1809
01:08:14,730 --> 01:08:12,880
have you taken canine friends with you

1810
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:14,740
on these investigations to see what they

1811
01:08:18,990 --> 01:08:16,690
can detect I can tell you in most cases

1812
01:08:20,309 --> 01:08:19,000
we did not only because we shouldn't

1813
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:20,319
have the capable we didn't have the dogs

1814
01:08:23,910 --> 01:08:22,810
to do it back then so I don't recall

1815
01:08:26,820 --> 01:08:23,920
that there could have been some

1816
01:08:30,030 --> 01:08:26,830
individual investigators I do remember

1817
01:08:32,370 --> 01:08:30,040
this one of the investigators who went

1818
01:08:34,289 --> 01:08:32,380
out on a case which was significant in

1819
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:34,299
another County where there had been a

1820
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:35,770
report of a creature I believe on the

1821
01:08:40,289 --> 01:08:38,410
roof of a low level house but I think it

1822
01:08:42,059 --> 01:08:40,299
caught up on the roof and there was some

1823
01:08:45,180 --> 01:08:42,069
hair samples that were pretty

1824
01:08:46,470 --> 01:08:45,190
significant and that was the one hair

1825
01:08:49,260 --> 01:08:46,480
sample I think I sort of talked to you

1826
01:08:51,930 --> 01:08:49,270
about and we got sidetracked that it was

1827
01:08:53,940 --> 01:08:51,940
the one case where they said it was near

1828
01:08:55,709 --> 01:08:53,950
human but couldn't be identified for

1829
01:08:58,289 --> 01:08:55,719
sure as human while other tears could

1830
01:09:01,170 --> 01:08:58,299
easily be identified and when he took it

1831
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:01,180
home and his dog smelled that hair that

1832
01:09:06,900 --> 01:09:04,210
dog was just like cowering and very very

1833
01:09:08,970 --> 01:09:06,910
upset when a smell bad hairy fed Wow

1834
01:09:11,930 --> 01:09:08,980
interesting I used to take my brother's

1835
01:09:14,610 --> 01:09:11,940
beer and he's out on my couch encases

1836
01:09:16,860 --> 01:09:14,620
absolutely and it just you could not

1837
01:09:20,099 --> 01:09:16,870
freak this dog out it was absolutely

1838
01:09:22,650 --> 01:09:20,109
infallible if that's the proper word and

1839
01:09:24,870 --> 01:09:22,660
one of the things that that we noticed

1840
01:09:26,849 --> 01:09:24,880
right off was as soon as he would be

1841
01:09:28,130 --> 01:09:26,859
introduced to the scene in always we

1842
01:09:31,180 --> 01:09:28,140
would introduce the dog to

1843
01:09:33,410 --> 01:09:31,190
to the scene first before we entered

1844
01:09:36,440 --> 01:09:33,420
near the animal if there have been any

1845
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:36,450
sort of coyotes in the area he would

1846
01:09:39,710 --> 01:09:38,130
instantly go and identify where the

1847
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:39,720
Coyotes had urinated because he would

1848
01:09:45,140 --> 01:09:42,570
then urinate - so dogs are very good

1849
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:45,150
investigative partners and they also

1850
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:47,730
mark their territory first well they

1851
01:09:53,300 --> 01:09:51,090
also coyotes interfere or intrude on my

1852
01:09:55,310 --> 01:09:53,310
territory well when you're when you're

1853
01:09:58,610 --> 01:09:55,320
investigating the unusual livestock

1854
01:09:59,990 --> 01:09:58,620
deaths in disfigurements it's really

1855
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:00,000
good to know if the coyotes have been in

1856
01:10:04,460 --> 01:10:02,250
around the scene most of the cases that

1857
01:10:07,310 --> 01:10:04,470
we had coyotes would not venture within

1858
01:10:09,260 --> 01:10:07,320
100 feet 200 feet of a case and they

1859
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:09,270
would circle around the outside in a and

1860
01:10:15,050 --> 01:10:11,610
kind of like checking it out but not

1861
01:10:18,260 --> 01:10:15,060
going near it the meaning with all these

1862
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:18,270
cases and what they signify I mentioned

1863
01:10:22,790 --> 01:10:20,610
during a brief intermission withstand

1864
01:10:25,430 --> 01:10:22,800
how about more recent cases you know we

1865
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:25,440
know a lot happened in the 70s certainly

1866
01:10:28,700 --> 01:10:26,970
as I said I lived in Pennsylvania

1867
01:10:30,110 --> 01:10:28,710
I remember just everything happening

1868
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:30,120
every day I'd hear about something

1869
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:34,650
somewhere but now we're in 2010 and are

1870
01:10:40,310 --> 01:10:37,410
we still getting a fair number of UFO

1871
01:10:43,070 --> 01:10:40,320
and strange creature reports in your

1872
01:10:46,220 --> 01:10:43,080
state Stan yeah yes last year was a very

1873
01:10:49,070 --> 01:10:46,230
active year there are 2009 the

1874
01:10:50,930 --> 01:10:49,080
information that I obtained from various

1875
01:10:53,510 --> 01:10:50,940
sources on them came from 48 counties of

1876
01:10:55,580 --> 01:10:53,520
Pennsylvania last year and there was

1877
01:10:58,040 --> 01:10:55,590
quite a bit of Bigfoot activity going on

1878
01:11:00,080 --> 01:10:58,050
I know I had a number of reports saw

1879
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:00,090
Eric Oldman at the Pennsylvania Bigfoot

1880
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:01,530
Society they investigate a number of

1881
01:11:05,690 --> 01:11:02,970
cases I think one of the most

1882
01:11:08,110 --> 01:11:05,700
interesting cases that the PBS had

1883
01:11:10,700 --> 01:11:08,120
called me to join their group to

1884
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:10,710
investigate the case and this happened

1885
01:11:14,930 --> 01:11:13,050
again here we go Fayette County again

1886
01:11:15,860 --> 01:11:14,940
another area with a long history of

1887
01:11:18,350 --> 01:11:15,870
Bigfoot activity

1888
01:11:20,420 --> 01:11:18,360
this happened on July 10th last year and

1889
01:11:22,850 --> 01:11:20,430
this was daylight about six in the

1890
01:11:25,910 --> 01:11:22,860
afternoon there was a very warm clear

1891
01:11:28,070 --> 01:11:25,920
beautiful day as I recall and the woman

1892
01:11:30,830 --> 01:11:28,080
was driving down the road about 3540

1893
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:30,840
miles an hour on this two-lane road

1894
01:11:36,140 --> 01:11:33,570
outside of Uniontown again when out of

1895
01:11:38,150 --> 01:11:36,150
the corner of her left eye she caught a

1896
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:38,160
figure moving from the left side and

1897
01:11:40,419 --> 01:11:40,050
approaching and so it's going to walk

1898
01:11:42,669 --> 01:11:40,429
right

1899
01:11:45,430 --> 01:11:42,679
in front of her car so what does she do

1900
01:11:47,020 --> 01:11:45,440
her first reaction is she swerves the MS

1901
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:47,030
hitting this person walking out right in

1902
01:11:51,399 --> 01:11:48,770
front of her vehicle but as she's

1903
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:51,409
turning she's looking up and realizes

1904
01:11:56,530 --> 01:11:54,170
this is not a person this is some kind

1905
01:11:58,090 --> 01:11:56,540
of a very strange creature and she sat

1906
01:12:00,580 --> 01:11:58,100
there when she pulled over to the curb

1907
01:12:02,229 --> 01:12:00,590
she sat there for a minute and she looks

1908
01:12:04,270 --> 01:12:02,239
into a rearview mirror

1909
01:12:06,459 --> 01:12:04,280
the watch is his large hairy creature

1910
01:12:08,890 --> 01:12:06,469
leaps across the trunk of her vehicle

1911
01:12:10,149 --> 01:12:08,900
and while she's sitting there trying to

1912
01:12:12,070 --> 01:12:10,159
compose herself trying to figure out

1913
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:12,080
what's going on next thing she knows she

1914
01:12:16,570 --> 01:12:14,570
looks to right about 75 feet away to the

1915
01:12:19,450 --> 01:12:16,580
right the creature is running down this

1916
01:12:21,459 --> 01:12:19,460
road in the opposite direction which if

1917
01:12:23,500 --> 01:12:21,469
it kept going it would have gone through

1918
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:23,510
a large like a few of the area up into

1919
01:12:27,610 --> 01:12:25,370
the mountainous area up towards

1920
01:12:29,830 --> 01:12:27,620
Jumonville which has had a long history

1921
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:29,840
of a lot of strange creature encounters

1922
01:12:34,209 --> 01:12:32,090
up there going back to the 70s anyhow

1923
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:34,219
what she said she saw my Jeep swerved to

1924
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:37,010
miss hitting this creature she said that

1925
01:12:41,709 --> 01:12:39,050
this thing was at least six feet tall

1926
01:12:43,899 --> 01:12:41,719
six feet or born height that it was

1927
01:12:45,580 --> 01:12:43,909
upright on two legs it was a little hard

1928
01:12:47,110 --> 01:12:45,590
to see the neck because of the hair to

1929
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:47,120
explain it she said she could see some

1930
01:12:51,010 --> 01:12:49,370
details to it that they had was fairly

1931
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:51,020
big in the and the shoulders are very

1932
01:12:55,419 --> 01:12:54,050
wide and she said it was hair coming out

1933
01:12:57,750 --> 01:12:55,429
from all over the face like that I have

1934
01:12:59,680 --> 01:12:57,760
a dog or wolf the nose was flat and dark

1935
01:13:01,899 --> 01:12:59,690
she really couldn't see much of the

1936
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:01,909
mouth area nor could she see any ears

1937
01:13:05,709 --> 01:13:03,890
but she said the most prominent features

1938
01:13:07,750 --> 01:13:05,719
were the eyes and she said the eyes were

1939
01:13:10,149 --> 01:13:07,760
what really group the crew her attention

1940
01:13:11,470 --> 01:13:10,159
that that kind of a nerve heard that

1941
01:13:13,419 --> 01:13:11,480
they were least twice the size of a

1942
01:13:16,090 --> 01:13:13,429
human circular in shape but the eyes

1943
01:13:17,500 --> 01:13:16,100
were dark possibly black in color and

1944
01:13:19,959 --> 01:13:17,510
she said they were just wild looking

1945
01:13:22,209 --> 01:13:19,969
there was no iris no whites and they

1946
01:13:24,700 --> 01:13:22,219
were just very very strange-looking it

1947
01:13:26,979 --> 01:13:24,710
was Sparky and muscular chest area was

1948
01:13:28,899 --> 01:13:26,989
thick and hairy the shoulders were wide

1949
01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:28,909
and rounded the arms are very long and

1950
01:13:34,990 --> 01:13:31,489
hanging down you know from the body down

1951
01:13:37,090 --> 01:13:35,000
beyond the knees and the hair was long

1952
01:13:40,060 --> 01:13:37,100
on the arms like like a pair she said

1953
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:40,070
and she got a pretty good description of

1954
01:13:45,250 --> 01:13:42,170
this thing and we went out and

1955
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:45,260
interviewed her and her husband appeared

1956
01:13:48,729 --> 01:13:47,330
to be very credible people she was still

1957
01:13:51,399 --> 01:13:48,739
you could tell when she is describing

1958
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:51,409
this - they dragged us in who was the

1959
01:13:54,260 --> 01:13:53,330
artist who was there from the UH PBS and

1960
01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:54,270
we were

1961
01:13:57,820 --> 01:13:55,410
you could tell she was still very

1962
01:14:00,290 --> 01:13:57,830
emotional over what was going on and

1963
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:00,300
when I'm looking over their vehicle I

1964
01:14:02,930 --> 01:14:01,650
was talk to them and I went over and

1965
01:14:04,970 --> 01:14:02,940
just Nick I was looking around on her

1966
01:14:07,070 --> 01:14:04,980
vehicle and I was checking real close

1967
01:14:08,480 --> 01:14:07,080
and I noticed as I was examining around

1968
01:14:12,260 --> 01:14:08,490
the trunk here and the opposite side on

1969
01:14:15,170 --> 01:14:12,270
the left this really unusual affective

1970
01:14:16,820 --> 01:14:15,180
scratch area and that area was about six

1971
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:16,830
inches from the left taillight to the

1972
01:14:21,230 --> 01:14:20,130
first creation of the scratches and it

1973
01:14:23,510 --> 01:14:21,240
was about eight and a half inches long

1974
01:14:25,820 --> 01:14:23,520
and two inches wide but there were many

1975
01:14:28,460 --> 01:14:25,830
many like vertical and horizontal very

1976
01:14:31,370 --> 01:14:28,470
thin scratch lines and went into the

1977
01:14:32,570 --> 01:14:31,380
paint surface and I showed these people

1978
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:32,580
and said we've never seen like that

1979
01:14:35,420 --> 01:14:34,050
before we do you've noticed that and

1980
01:14:37,610 --> 01:14:35,430
that would have been right in the air

1981
01:14:39,500 --> 01:14:37,620
what a thing probably would have made

1982
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:39,510
contact as it went over the back of the

1983
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:41,730
truck now we can't say for sure its

1984
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:44,970
associated with it but it was kind of

1985
01:14:48,950 --> 01:14:47,370
interesting but I believe the woman was

1986
01:14:56,750 --> 01:14:48,960
very sincere when she described what she

1987
01:14:58,640 --> 01:14:56,760
was seeing hey neighbors would you like

1988
01:15:01,280 --> 01:14:58,650
to see the power cast live long and

1989
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:01,290
prosper well if you know of anyone who

1990
01:15:05,510 --> 01:15:03,330
wants to advertise their products or

1991
01:15:07,790 --> 01:15:05,520
services on the power cast have them

1992
01:15:11,030 --> 01:15:07,800
contact us directly tell them to write

1993
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:11,040
to sales act the power cast calm that's

1994
01:15:17,480 --> 01:15:14,610
sales and Fafara cast calm and we also

1995
01:15:19,420 --> 01:15:17,490
accept your donations by paypal send

1996
01:15:23,780 --> 01:15:19,430
your PayPal donation to the same address

1997
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:23,790
sales at Lapera cast comet sales at the

1998
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:30,790
this is Leslie Kane and I'm with the

1999
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:33,050
Coalition for freedom of information and

2000
01:15:38,440 --> 01:15:36,650
you are listening to the podcast co-host

2001
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:38,450
is Christopher Brian we have Stan Gordon

2002
01:15:42,970 --> 01:15:40,730
he is the author of really mysterious

2003
01:15:45,090 --> 01:15:42,980
Pennsylvania and Chris was about to

2004
01:15:47,410 --> 01:15:45,100
enlighten us on another case please I

2005
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:47,420
find a very intriguing it's quite

2006
01:15:51,460 --> 01:15:49,010
similar to another case I think you had

2007
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:51,470
in in March 97 where a guy had a Bigfoot

2008
01:15:56,530 --> 01:15:53,570
leaning on his trunk looking in his back

2009
01:15:58,420 --> 01:15:56,540
window he took off in the creature left

2010
01:16:00,460 --> 01:15:58,430
some there's a photograph in your book

2011
01:16:02,890 --> 01:16:00,470
left some very impressive scratch marks

2012
01:16:06,250 --> 01:16:02,900
how was it that was a very very unusual

2013
01:16:08,110 --> 01:16:06,260
case okay and there's a long involved

2014
01:16:10,540 --> 01:16:08,120
case I'll try to explain it to you

2015
01:16:12,940 --> 01:16:10,550
briefly I remember getting the call

2016
01:16:15,190 --> 01:16:12,950
very early morning hours on March 12

2017
01:16:16,750 --> 01:16:15,200
1997 this happened that just a short

2018
01:16:19,420 --> 01:16:16,760
time before my 3 o'clock in the morning

2019
01:16:23,290 --> 01:16:19,430
now this again is Derry Township a Barry

2020
01:16:25,060 --> 01:16:23,300
Township is a rural community along the

2021
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:25,070
base of the Chestnut Ridge again outside

2022
01:16:31,150 --> 01:16:28,730
of Latrobe PA historically a lot of

2023
01:16:33,940 --> 01:16:31,160
weird activity out there with Bigfoot

2024
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:33,950
UFO cases Bigfoot in particular there's

2025
01:16:37,990 --> 01:16:36,530
been sightings since then there have

2026
01:16:40,390 --> 01:16:38,000
been many sightings going back to the

2027
01:16:43,030 --> 01:16:40,400
least of 1950s I have on record from out

2028
01:16:45,130 --> 01:16:43,040
in that area but of course that 73 Way

2029
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:45,140
was very active in that area as well so

2030
01:16:49,210 --> 01:16:46,970
anyhow I get this call from this fellow

2031
01:16:52,060 --> 01:16:49,220
that told me that him and two other

2032
01:16:54,430 --> 01:16:52,070
fellas had had a very unusual experience

2033
01:16:56,260 --> 01:16:54,440
that early that morning so what I found

2034
01:16:58,390 --> 01:16:56,270
out was these guys they work at night

2035
01:17:00,370 --> 01:16:58,400
they go right down this back road when

2036
01:17:02,380 --> 01:17:00,380
all of a sudden the hubcap came off of

2037
01:17:04,300 --> 01:17:02,390
the vehicle rolled across the road into

2038
01:17:07,030 --> 01:17:04,310
this field where there's some old cars

2039
01:17:09,490 --> 01:17:07,040
so they short time later they went back

2040
01:17:10,900 --> 01:17:09,500
there to look for the missing hubcap but

2041
01:17:13,570 --> 01:17:10,910
there wasn't a place to park real close

2042
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:13,580
so they parked about 200 250 feet away

2043
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:15,050
from that particular area

2044
01:17:19,150 --> 01:17:17,570
one the fellow stayed in the vehicle the

2045
01:17:21,310 --> 01:17:19,160
other two men decided to get down and

2046
01:17:23,260 --> 01:17:21,320
look around and as a looking round down

2047
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:23,270
there they hear the sound that says

2048
01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:25,370
something like metal-on-metal sound and

2049
01:17:29,530 --> 01:17:27,890
as we're walking along they hear like

2050
01:17:31,330 --> 01:17:29,540
this loud growling away from a dog

2051
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:31,340
somewhere in the area so they're moving

2052
01:17:34,780 --> 01:17:32,930
around slowly thinking maybe there's a

2053
01:17:38,050 --> 01:17:34,790
guard dog or something around here and

2054
01:17:39,700 --> 01:17:38,060
that's walking along all of a sudden one

2055
01:17:41,729 --> 01:17:39,710
of the fellows notices some movement

2056
01:17:43,440 --> 01:17:41,739
ahead of them the aim this

2057
01:17:45,090 --> 01:17:43,450
flashlight in that direction well at

2058
01:17:46,440 --> 01:17:45,100
that point both of the men are pretty

2059
01:17:48,300 --> 01:17:46,450
much startled because what they're

2060
01:17:50,820 --> 01:17:48,310
seeing is a lot of dog but when they

2061
01:17:53,130 --> 01:17:50,830
describe it as a huge about a 9 foot

2062
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:53,140
tall ape-like creature covered white

2063
01:17:57,360 --> 01:17:55,570
here which was bent down and was now

2064
01:17:59,850 --> 01:17:57,370
beginning the rise from the ground the

2065
01:18:01,200 --> 01:17:59,860
one man is panic right away he just runs

2066
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:01,210
out of there the other guy said he stood

2067
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:03,010
there for several seconds I was looking

2068
01:18:06,959 --> 01:18:04,570
at this thing trying to figure out what

2069
01:18:09,510 --> 01:18:06,969
it is and he runs back to the vehicle as

2070
01:18:12,060 --> 01:18:09,520
they're pulling away from there the one

2071
01:18:14,310 --> 01:18:12,070
fella realizes that he had dropped his

2072
01:18:16,350 --> 01:18:14,320
dad expensive knife and also some keys

2073
01:18:18,930 --> 01:18:16,360
say he was pretty concerned about that

2074
01:18:20,190 --> 01:18:18,940
but they passed that area I went back

2075
01:18:22,170 --> 01:18:20,200
past that area from where they had

2076
01:18:24,060 --> 01:18:22,180
parked they didn't see the creature they

2077
01:18:25,620 --> 01:18:24,070
moved around a little slower tried to

2078
01:18:28,530 --> 01:18:25,630
find the missing items but they didn't

2079
01:18:31,050 --> 01:18:28,540
see them anywhere so anyhow here's what

2080
01:18:33,209 --> 01:18:31,060
next happen was kind of unusual as they

2081
01:18:36,390 --> 01:18:33,219
were driving down this little road all

2082
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:36,400
of a sudden this this nice new red

2083
01:18:41,340 --> 01:18:39,370
silver Chevy dually big Chevy dual real

2084
01:18:43,530 --> 01:18:41,350
truck passes them in the opposite

2085
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:43,540
direction a high rate of speed and the

2086
01:18:47,580 --> 01:18:45,489
fellows watches this truck pulled onto a

2087
01:18:50,100 --> 01:18:47,590
side road turned around and began to

2088
01:18:52,530 --> 01:18:50,110
follow after them down the road and this

2089
01:18:55,290 --> 01:18:52,540
Chevy dually increases its speed and it

2090
01:18:56,760 --> 01:18:55,300
comes right up behind them and stay with

2091
01:18:59,040 --> 01:18:56,770
it for they said about us about a half a

2092
01:19:00,510 --> 01:18:59,050
mile and everybody in that vehicle the

2093
01:19:03,150 --> 01:19:00,520
three guys said they had the impression

2094
01:19:05,250 --> 01:19:03,160
that whoever was in that Julie was

2095
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:05,260
trying to get their license number so

2096
01:19:09,510 --> 01:19:07,090
anyhow that truck finally stops on the

2097
01:19:11,010 --> 01:19:09,520
roadway starts backing up turns off its

2098
01:19:14,670 --> 01:19:11,020
lights and back something to a side road

2099
01:19:17,100 --> 01:19:14,680
and that's it well anyhow they go to the

2100
01:19:18,300 --> 01:19:17,110
closest residence of the three fellows

2101
01:19:20,670 --> 01:19:18,310
and they go over there and sit down and

2102
01:19:22,229 --> 01:19:20,680
talk about what happened well as they

2103
01:19:23,820 --> 01:19:22,239
discussed this or like they can't

2104
01:19:26,190 --> 01:19:23,830
believe what they saw only two out of

2105
01:19:28,020 --> 01:19:26,200
three saw the creature the two fellows

2106
01:19:29,670 --> 01:19:28,030
are intrigued they're scared but they're

2107
01:19:31,470 --> 01:19:29,680
intrigued and wonder what this thing was

2108
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:31,480
so they decide what they need to go back

2109
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:33,130
in that area look around for the keys

2110
01:19:38,850 --> 01:19:36,489
and the knife anyhow so the other guy

2111
01:19:40,709 --> 01:19:38,860
has a room it had a nice car they had

2112
01:19:42,900 --> 01:19:40,719
souped up with a modified high speed

2113
01:19:45,650 --> 01:19:42,910
engine in it and they decided to go back

2114
01:19:48,330 --> 01:19:45,660
in that vehicle and the fellows hand a

2115
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:48,340
modified automobile headlight that they

2116
01:19:52,740 --> 01:19:50,890
had converted over to use into a like a

2117
01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:52,750
cigarette lighter adapter second use for

2118
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:54,250
a big spotlight so they took that with

2119
01:19:56,850 --> 01:19:54,850
them

2120
01:19:58,530 --> 01:19:56,860
so they get down into the area and they

2121
01:19:59,970 --> 01:19:58,540
plug in the spod lightness for shining

2122
01:20:02,820 --> 01:19:59,980
around that field around those old

2123
01:20:04,500 --> 01:20:02,830
vehicles and they said all of a sudden a

2124
01:20:06,810 --> 01:20:04,510
short-time liner here comes the creature

2125
01:20:08,580 --> 01:20:06,820
again and they said as the one witness

2126
01:20:10,890 --> 01:20:08,590
told me said we were antagonizing this

2127
01:20:13,410 --> 01:20:10,900
thing we can give you the beam at the

2128
01:20:15,810 --> 01:20:13,420
creature it kept putting his hands up in

2129
01:20:17,910 --> 01:20:15,820
front of his eyes to block the bright

2130
01:20:19,530 --> 01:20:17,920
light coming into it and was getting

2131
01:20:22,530 --> 01:20:19,540
very very upset he said we were doing

2132
01:20:24,630 --> 01:20:22,540
the antagonizing you could tell nice to

2133
01:20:26,220 --> 01:20:24,640
Bigfoot day right so remember we had a

2134
01:20:27,750 --> 01:20:26,230
turkey commercial that they've been

2135
01:20:32,250 --> 01:20:27,760
there and with the guys messing with

2136
01:20:34,620 --> 01:20:32,260
Bigfoot so anyhow here's this huge white

2137
01:20:36,420 --> 01:20:34,630
carry creature it's walking upright it's

2138
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:36,430
on two legs and began to chase after

2139
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:38,650
their vehicle and they said it moved

2140
01:20:42,450 --> 01:20:40,930
very fast got off to with about three

2141
01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:42,460
feet of the rear bumper and when they

2142
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:44,170
were they put on some speed and got away

2143
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:47,410
from it so anyhow that's the next part

2144
01:20:53,670 --> 01:20:51,370
of the story now what happens is the guy

2145
01:20:55,860 --> 01:20:53,680
who has that car who had lost the keys

2146
01:20:58,260 --> 01:20:55,870
and the knife little later that evening

2147
01:21:00,540 --> 01:20:58,270
after he took another fella home to his

2148
01:21:02,250 --> 01:21:00,550
house decides he needs to go back out

2149
01:21:05,190 --> 01:21:02,260
there again to see if we can find the

2150
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:05,200
missing items so he goes around the area

2151
01:21:09,810 --> 01:21:07,330
he has his lights down low I believe

2152
01:21:12,300 --> 01:21:09,820
anyhow he's looking around he doesn't

2153
01:21:14,550 --> 01:21:12,310
see this creature so he slowly looked

2154
01:21:16,050 --> 01:21:14,560
around and he pulls up driving around

2155
01:21:18,540 --> 01:21:16,060
there and he leans it down I believe it

2156
01:21:22,650 --> 01:21:18,550
he sees the I think it's the knife that

2157
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:22,660
he saw and so anyhow he just grabs the

2158
01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:24,850
knife and he opens the door never gets

2159
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:27,370
out just grabs a knife and all of a

2160
01:21:32,340 --> 01:21:30,250
sudden he feels this heavy thump every

2161
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:32,350
thud on the rear of his vehicle he looks

2162
01:21:36,180 --> 01:21:34,570
up into the rear mirror and he's shocked

2163
01:21:38,190 --> 01:21:36,190
to see here's this big hairy white

2164
01:21:40,020 --> 01:21:38,200
creature now leaning on the back of his

2165
01:21:40,410 --> 01:21:40,030
car peering at him through the rear

2166
01:21:42,060 --> 01:21:40,420
window

2167
01:21:43,830 --> 01:21:42,070
he said the eyes seem to be having a

2168
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:43,840
reddish glow but he did tell me later he

2169
01:21:47,990 --> 01:21:45,370
thought maybe that was from the brake

2170
01:21:50,610 --> 01:21:48,000
lights reflecting but he wasn't sure and

2171
01:21:52,590 --> 01:21:50,620
he's trying to use gas in the vehicle

2172
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:52,600
he's trying to get out of there but the

2173
01:21:56,520 --> 01:21:54,010
weight of this thing he couldn't move

2174
01:21:58,410 --> 01:21:56,530
the car and he said he kept gassing and

2175
01:22:01,020 --> 01:21:58,420
hitting the gas and he said his tail

2176
01:22:02,550 --> 01:22:01,030
pipes are just really really whistling

2177
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:02,560
now they're really really loud it's

2178
01:22:07,100 --> 01:22:04,570
hurting his ears and it keeps whistling

2179
01:22:08,930 --> 01:22:07,110
lad or anything's finally at one point

2180
01:22:12,410 --> 01:22:08,940
he thinks it was a sound that finally

2181
01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:12,420
caused a creature who released I itself

2182
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:14,370
from the vehicle he gets out of the car

2183
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:15,930
kind of turned sideways he finally gets

2184
01:22:22,100 --> 01:22:18,810
on the road he goes down the road he's

2185
01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:22,110
pretty upset at the time and he finds

2186
01:22:26,810 --> 01:22:23,250
that there's a little one of those

2187
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:26,820
little 24-hour little restaurant or I

2188
01:22:31,820 --> 01:22:28,370
should say like a gas station

2189
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:31,830
convenience store and he's in there I

2190
01:22:35,540 --> 01:22:33,690
believe getting a coffee or whatever and

2191
01:22:38,270 --> 01:22:35,550
he's watching his car the whole time and

2192
01:22:41,210 --> 01:22:38,280
he said short time later another car

2193
01:22:42,590 --> 01:22:41,220
pulls up several this is short distance

2194
01:22:44,660 --> 01:22:42,600
from where he had parked and the several

2195
01:22:47,570 --> 01:22:44,670
teenagers get out there admiring his car

2196
01:22:49,310 --> 01:22:47,580
and they never touched it and he went

2197
01:22:50,630 --> 01:22:49,320
outside and they were talking about the

2198
01:22:52,700 --> 01:22:50,640
car and one of them said something like

2199
01:22:54,170 --> 01:22:52,710
did you get attacked by any animal or

2200
01:22:55,700 --> 01:22:54,180
some kind of a bear or something and he

2201
01:22:57,950 --> 01:22:55,710
said what do you mean and he looked and

2202
01:23:00,140 --> 01:22:57,960
they're on the back of the vehicle with

2203
01:23:01,610 --> 01:23:00,150
these deep what a pretty claw marks deep

2204
01:23:03,140 --> 01:23:01,620
into the Payton meadow on the rear of

2205
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:03,150
the vehicle which there's a picture of

2206
01:23:06,770 --> 01:23:05,250
it in the book and what the body shop

2207
01:23:08,510 --> 01:23:06,780
would say when they do the estimate well

2208
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:08,520
this is what the guy said he said how am

2209
01:23:12,530 --> 01:23:10,890
I supposed to call my insurance man tell

2210
01:23:14,690 --> 01:23:12,540
me I got attacked by a strange white

2211
01:23:16,310 --> 01:23:14,700
hairy creature you know and I mean why

2212
01:23:18,290 --> 01:23:16,320
would you go if you're gonna hostessing

2213
01:23:19,790 --> 01:23:18,300
why would you go and and destroy your

2214
01:23:21,890 --> 01:23:19,800
really nice car that you really thought

2215
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:21,900
a lot about but a lot of money into okay

2216
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:24,810
so anyhow the rest of the story is I get

2217
01:23:28,130 --> 01:23:26,610
a hold of these guys and I said I want

2218
01:23:30,890 --> 01:23:28,140
to meet with you guys as soon as I can

2219
01:23:32,180 --> 01:23:30,900
today so we made arrangements to meet

2220
01:23:34,220 --> 01:23:32,190
with them to go out to the scene

2221
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:34,230
interview them take photographs

2222
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:36,090
everything we could to document the

2223
01:23:40,700 --> 01:23:38,610
information so anyhow I talked to

2224
01:23:43,100 --> 01:23:40,710
several of my phone maid arranged to

2225
01:23:45,140 --> 01:23:43,110
meet with them and I guess over the

2226
01:23:47,480 --> 01:23:45,150
later in the day as I recall the witness

2227
01:23:49,070 --> 01:23:47,490
who had shined the spotlight on the

2228
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:49,080
creature who had gotten a very good look

2229
01:23:53,780 --> 01:23:51,570
at it I found out later that he was a

2230
01:23:55,220 --> 01:23:53,790
little upset and he was kind of not

2231
01:23:56,630 --> 01:23:55,230
really wanting to talk to me and I said

2232
01:23:59,240 --> 01:23:56,640
what's going on why everything was fine

2233
01:24:01,010 --> 01:23:59,250
and his other friend which the guy later

2234
01:24:03,050 --> 01:24:01,020
did let me interview and he verified he

2235
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:03,060
said that after I had talked to him on

2236
01:24:07,370 --> 01:24:05,010
the phone early that morning he said

2237
01:24:10,220 --> 01:24:07,380
about ten minutes later he received

2238
01:24:12,110 --> 01:24:10,230
another phone call and the phone what he

2239
01:24:13,790 --> 01:24:12,120
could remember for the message was on

2240
01:24:16,460 --> 01:24:13,800
the phone the voice said something like

2241
01:24:18,380 --> 01:24:16,470
this is field agents also from the

2242
01:24:20,030 --> 01:24:18,390
Federal Bureau of Investigation but the

2243
01:24:22,220 --> 01:24:20,040
incident last night forget

2244
01:24:23,450 --> 01:24:22,230
look you saw him and I strongly suggest

2245
01:24:26,780 --> 01:24:23,460
you don't talk any further with Stan

2246
01:24:29,060 --> 01:24:26,790
Borden sounds like MIB is afoot yeah now

2247
01:24:31,190 --> 01:24:29,070
one thing I want to point out there's no

2248
01:24:33,260 --> 01:24:31,200
way we've ever been able to verify that

2249
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:33,270
was actually the FBI involved I did send

2250
01:24:37,370 --> 01:24:35,010
them a letter I never did receive a

2251
01:24:39,650 --> 01:24:37,380
response so I have no idea who it was

2252
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:39,660
now the other fellow the other guy who

2253
01:24:44,060 --> 01:24:41,250
had the nice car he's still with his

2254
01:24:45,770 --> 01:24:44,070
parents and according to him he wasn't

2255
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:45,780
home at the time but he did get sonic on

2256
01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:48,090
a phone message but also he said there

2257
01:24:54,170 --> 01:24:51,930
was four men each and two vehicles which

2258
01:24:56,090 --> 01:24:54,180
I believe were Chevy caprices they

2259
01:24:57,020 --> 01:24:56,100
pulled up to the family told they want

2260
01:24:59,480 --> 01:24:57,030
to talk to him

2261
01:25:03,110 --> 01:24:59,490
and but they apparently never came back

2262
01:25:05,180 --> 01:25:03,120
again and so the question is how did

2263
01:25:06,470 --> 01:25:05,190
anybody find out about the event I mean

2264
01:25:07,700 --> 01:25:06,480
I was the only one who knew bettors

2265
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:07,710
early-morning hours

2266
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:09,810
so either somebody was monitoring my

2267
01:25:14,540 --> 01:25:12,810
phone calls or somebody through tracing

2268
01:25:16,910 --> 01:25:14,550
their license was following up on

2269
01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:16,920
somebody involved but it was a very

2270
01:25:21,170 --> 01:25:19,290
interesting case and I mean I've always

2271
01:25:22,430 --> 01:25:21,180
thought that these guys were believed to

2272
01:25:24,620 --> 01:25:22,440
be telling the truth as they were

2273
01:25:26,810 --> 01:25:24,630
letting us know about it that's really

2274
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:26,820
wild two cases with Bigfoot scratching

2275
01:25:31,490 --> 01:25:28,530
people's trunks I love it

2276
01:25:33,950 --> 01:25:31,500
that's amazing that's that's pretty rare

2277
01:25:37,010 --> 01:25:33,960
you don't get that kind of physical

2278
01:25:39,320 --> 01:25:37,020
evidence and descriptions especially so

2279
01:25:40,910 --> 01:25:39,330
close after the event that's one thing

2280
01:25:42,620 --> 01:25:40,920
Stan I must say and I I don't want to

2281
01:25:45,020 --> 01:25:42,630
sound like I'm stroking you here but I

2282
01:25:47,150 --> 01:25:45,030
but I really am I mean you know almost

2283
01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:47,160
every case that you're describing you

2284
01:25:52,220 --> 01:25:50,130
are on site either you know as quickly

2285
01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:52,230
as possible or the following day and

2286
01:25:56,210 --> 01:25:54,210
that you know for all you aspiring field

2287
01:25:57,950 --> 01:25:56,220
investigators out there the only way

2288
01:26:00,980 --> 01:25:57,960
that Stan can do this is to have an

2289
01:26:03,980 --> 01:26:00,990
extensive network of contacts and law

2290
01:26:06,740 --> 01:26:03,990
enforcement people around his state and

2291
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:06,750
regions that are there constantly

2292
01:26:11,390 --> 01:26:08,610
monitoring activity and and having a

2293
01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:11,400
really well established well oiled phone

2294
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:14,730
tree going so that people are dispatched

2295
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:16,770
immediately to these cases and and this

2296
01:26:21,380 --> 01:26:19,290
is really important as you mentioned

2297
01:26:23,780 --> 01:26:21,390
earlier if you get on site right after

2298
01:26:27,950 --> 01:26:23,790
an event you're gonna be able to really

2299
01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:27,960
get an emotional read on a person that

2300
01:26:31,670 --> 01:26:29,970
has allegedly had a strange experience

2301
01:26:32,109 --> 01:26:31,680
if you arrive at a place that has this

2302
01:26:34,810 --> 01:26:32,119
enquire

2303
01:26:37,479 --> 01:26:34,820
we'll report attached to it and the

2304
01:26:39,580 --> 01:26:37,489
person is nonchalant it kind of makes

2305
01:26:40,779 --> 01:26:39,590
you wonder well maybe there's not

2306
01:26:43,209 --> 01:26:40,789
something to it but if the person

2307
01:26:46,359 --> 01:26:43,219
obviously is is exhibiting emotional

2308
01:26:48,129 --> 01:26:46,369
trauma or the effects of a highly

2309
01:26:50,319 --> 01:26:48,139
strange experience the impacts you

2310
01:26:52,540 --> 01:26:50,329
emotionally and so this is really this

2311
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:52,550
is really important and I think you know

2312
01:26:58,060 --> 01:26:55,010
being out in the field you know for

2313
01:27:00,040 --> 01:26:58,070
decades I mean Stan Stan knows that this

2314
01:27:03,159 --> 01:27:00,050
is a really important element in and we

2315
01:27:05,500 --> 01:27:03,169
do really urge aspiring field

2316
01:27:09,069 --> 01:27:05,510
investigators to to really jump on these

2317
01:27:10,449 --> 01:27:09,079
cases if possible and get on site as

2318
01:27:35,459 --> 01:27:10,459
quickly as possible there's no

2319
01:27:39,699 --> 01:27:35,469
substitute for that conspiracy's

2320
01:27:42,069 --> 01:27:39,709
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2321
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2329
01:28:14,410 --> 01:28:08,479
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2330
01:28:22,660 --> 01:28:17,660
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2331
01:28:27,290 --> 01:28:25,340
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2332
01:28:28,820 --> 01:28:27,300
mysterious Pennsylvania our co-host who

2333
01:28:29,990 --> 01:28:28,830
has also been out there on the scene

2334
01:28:32,900 --> 01:28:30,000
investigating cases

2335
01:28:34,670 --> 01:28:32,910
Christopher O'Brien so guys even one of

2336
01:28:37,070 --> 01:28:34,680
you take this up how do we train

2337
01:28:39,770 --> 01:28:37,080
investigators to go out there and know

2338
01:28:41,630 --> 01:28:39,780
what to do what equipment they need etc

2339
01:28:45,830 --> 01:28:41,640
do they take the one-hour course from

2340
01:28:47,570 --> 01:28:45,840
you fun what well I can tell you my

2341
01:28:49,250 --> 01:28:47,580
groups I started my first group back in

2342
01:28:52,280 --> 01:28:49,260
1970 that was the Westmoreland County

2343
01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:52,290
you have a study group by 1975 we were

2344
01:28:56,540 --> 01:28:54,210
receiving such a big input of

2345
01:28:57,470 --> 01:28:56,550
information from across the state that I

2346
01:28:58,700 --> 01:28:57,480
changed the name of the group that

2347
01:29:01,400 --> 01:28:58,710
append to saying the Center for UFO

2348
01:29:03,710 --> 01:29:01,410
research and then in 1981 I found

2349
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:03,720
another group called PA su the

2350
01:29:07,160 --> 01:29:05,130
Pennsylvania Association for the study

2351
01:29:10,010 --> 01:29:07,170
of the unexplained which continued

2352
01:29:12,200 --> 01:29:10,020
operation till 1993 since then I've been

2353
01:29:13,940 --> 01:29:12,210
investigating on my own it's just you

2354
01:29:16,310 --> 01:29:13,950
know I had hundreds of people involved

2355
01:29:17,990 --> 01:29:16,320
we were very active I mean it was like a

2356
01:29:20,540 --> 01:29:18,000
second job that I was paying for out of

2357
01:29:23,060 --> 01:29:20,550
my own pocket pretty much and work

2358
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:23,070
full-time as I still do today but you

2359
01:29:26,660 --> 01:29:24,690
know talking about training see what I

2360
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:26,670
wanted to do when I got organized back

2361
01:29:32,210 --> 01:29:29,730
in those early days of 1970 I knew that

2362
01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:32,220
when I said my heart line up in 1969 for

2363
01:29:36,290 --> 01:29:34,530
the public and I began to get inundated

2364
01:29:38,420 --> 01:29:36,300
with phone calls on all kind of strange

2365
01:29:40,370 --> 01:29:38,430
phenomena I knew this was much more than

2366
01:29:41,900 --> 01:29:40,380
I can handle on my own I knew that I

2367
01:29:43,210 --> 01:29:41,910
needed research people I need

2368
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:43,220
specialists scientists engineers

2369
01:29:48,170 --> 01:29:45,810
technicians all kind of specialists to

2370
01:29:50,330 --> 01:29:48,180
evaluate these cases that was my goal to

2371
01:29:52,550 --> 01:29:50,340
set up a volunteer group of people and

2372
01:29:55,420 --> 01:29:52,560
that's what I did slowly but surely I

2373
01:29:57,620 --> 01:29:55,430
began to make contact with colleges with

2374
01:29:59,390 --> 01:29:57,630
companies that have laboratories in the

2375
01:30:01,430 --> 01:29:59,400
Pittsburgh area and I and I began to

2376
01:30:03,350 --> 01:30:01,440
gain all these kind of specialists that

2377
01:30:05,090 --> 01:30:03,360
was amazing that the quality of type of

2378
01:30:06,890 --> 01:30:05,100
people I had for years and years many

2379
01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:06,900
which did and anonymously because their

2380
01:30:10,820 --> 01:30:08,730
position and I had a lot of former

2381
01:30:13,310 --> 01:30:10,830
military people former people working

2382
01:30:15,710 --> 01:30:13,320
military intelligence we had people of

2383
01:30:18,620 --> 01:30:15,720
all the law enforcement and we set up

2384
01:30:21,020 --> 01:30:18,630
our own investigative training courses I

2385
01:30:23,210 --> 01:30:21,030
mean we we took guys out in the field we

2386
01:30:24,020 --> 01:30:23,220
plotted how to interview how to properly

2387
01:30:26,030 --> 01:30:24,030
interview pea

2388
01:30:28,070 --> 01:30:26,040
well not that not to lead people into

2389
01:30:30,200 --> 01:30:28,080
the information we taught them how to

2390
01:30:32,150 --> 01:30:30,210
make castings how to take measurements

2391
01:30:34,550 --> 01:30:32,160
how to gather samples for laboratory

2392
01:30:36,110 --> 01:30:34,560
analysis so we did a lot of training in

2393
01:30:38,120 --> 01:30:36,120
our own groups that you know most people

2394
01:30:40,010 --> 01:30:38,130
didn't have back in those days back then

2395
01:30:43,100 --> 01:30:40,020
we even work with the the the County

2396
01:30:44,570 --> 01:30:43,110
civil defense where they you know we

2397
01:30:46,520 --> 01:30:44,580
worked very closely with them and we

2398
01:30:49,210 --> 01:30:46,530
trained a number of our people as

2399
01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:49,220
radiological monitors and we had

2400
01:30:53,930 --> 01:30:51,690
radiation gear we have magnetic

2401
01:30:56,180 --> 01:30:53,940
detectors we had a lot of radio

2402
01:30:58,820 --> 01:30:56,190
equipment we had a lot of stuff that we

2403
01:31:00,740 --> 01:30:58,830
all had as individuals again we all pay

2404
01:31:03,050 --> 01:31:00,750
for this stuff out of run pockets but

2405
01:31:04,730 --> 01:31:03,060
also because of the type of people I

2406
01:31:06,740 --> 01:31:04,740
have involved in those groups a lot of

2407
01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:06,750
these guys built their own equipment so

2408
01:31:09,950 --> 01:31:08,130
we had access a lot of really

2409
01:31:11,750 --> 01:31:09,960
interesting stuff that was you know

2410
01:31:14,570 --> 01:31:11,760
pretty high-tech for back in those days

2411
01:31:16,250 --> 01:31:14,580
that you couldn't easily buy so we but

2412
01:31:17,810 --> 01:31:16,260
we had access a lot of good stuff but we

2413
01:31:20,480 --> 01:31:17,820
are still very limited to what we could

2414
01:31:22,490 --> 01:31:20,490
do yeah it's important that that you

2415
01:31:24,770 --> 01:31:22,500
know you mentioned training seminars

2416
01:31:27,530 --> 01:31:24,780
that's one thing that I attempted to do

2417
01:31:30,740 --> 01:31:27,540
in the San Luis Valley is get interested

2418
01:31:32,660 --> 01:31:30,750
people together and actually because

2419
01:31:36,070 --> 01:31:32,670
it's such a sparse population where I

2420
01:31:38,900 --> 01:31:36,080
was you know you couldn't really do

2421
01:31:40,460 --> 01:31:38,910
expect a group to show up necessarily

2422
01:31:42,650 --> 01:31:40,470
because of the distances out there but

2423
01:31:47,390 --> 01:31:42,660
but I was able to train a couple of

2424
01:31:49,430 --> 01:31:47,400
people hands-on just one-on-one - to do

2425
01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:49,440
field work out there but that's that's a

2426
01:31:54,200 --> 01:31:51,210
real that's a real good question Jean

2427
01:31:55,580 --> 01:31:54,210
it's it's a real problem I think you

2428
01:31:57,410 --> 01:31:55,590
know we need to get younger folks

2429
01:31:59,600 --> 01:31:57,420
involved and as carry they carry the

2430
01:32:01,760 --> 01:31:59,610
banner forward in this realm we need to

2431
01:32:04,160 --> 01:32:01,770
have I think more of a standardized

2432
01:32:07,370 --> 01:32:04,170
approach someone like Stan would be a

2433
01:32:09,830 --> 01:32:07,380
really a perfect person to to dovetail

2434
01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:09,840
efforts and standardization of

2435
01:32:13,940 --> 01:32:11,850
approaches for training and another

2436
01:32:15,410 --> 01:32:13,950
element that I always stress with people

2437
01:32:18,770 --> 01:32:15,420
that are interested in investigating

2438
01:32:20,870 --> 01:32:18,780
these things is is also monitor do

2439
01:32:23,300 --> 01:32:20,880
follow up a work with people that have

2440
01:32:25,250 --> 01:32:23,310
had high strange experiences oftentimes

2441
01:32:27,500 --> 01:32:25,260
these experiences are life-changing and

2442
01:32:29,900 --> 01:32:27,510
one of the real indicators of the

2443
01:32:32,180 --> 01:32:29,910
validity and the reality of an

2444
01:32:33,860 --> 01:32:32,190
experience is to touch bases with them a

2445
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:33,870
year or two later and find out you know

2446
01:32:37,790 --> 01:32:35,850
how this event hasn't

2447
01:32:39,500 --> 01:32:37,800
for their life and oftentimes you'll

2448
01:32:41,540 --> 01:32:39,510
find you'll find that these people they

2449
01:32:43,610 --> 01:32:41,550
have been irrevocably changed as a

2450
01:32:45,320 --> 01:32:43,620
result of having these experiences and

2451
01:32:47,450 --> 01:32:45,330
and that's another thing that you don't

2452
01:32:49,880 --> 01:32:47,460
see on the move fund and the MUFON

2453
01:32:52,250 --> 01:32:49,890
investigators manual is anything to do

2454
01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:52,260
with with the experiencer because you

2455
01:32:56,150 --> 01:32:53,850
know I have all I personally have a

2456
01:32:58,280 --> 01:32:56,160
hunch that the effect of these of these

2457
01:33:00,080 --> 01:32:58,290
experiences on the person is as

2458
01:33:01,910 --> 01:33:00,090
important if not more important than the

2459
01:33:03,740 --> 01:33:01,920
actual nuts and bolts details of the

2460
01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:03,750
experience itself so maybe that is the

2461
01:33:10,010 --> 01:33:07,290
experience the effect question to ask of

2462
01:33:11,960 --> 01:33:10,020
both of you here Stan we've had a couple

2463
01:33:14,180 --> 01:33:11,970
of discussions and then the power cast

2464
01:33:17,690 --> 01:33:14,190
forums it's gotten pretty crazy about

2465
01:33:19,700 --> 01:33:17,700
UFO abductions do you have any abduction

2466
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:19,710
cases that you folks have investigated

2467
01:33:24,950 --> 01:33:23,130
in Pennsylvania and who investigates

2468
01:33:26,210 --> 01:33:24,960
them okay well you must have read my

2469
01:33:28,940 --> 01:33:26,220
mind because I was just gonna bring that

2470
01:33:31,130 --> 01:33:28,950
up as to what that we were just talking

2471
01:33:33,110 --> 01:33:31,140
about there a moment ago I was probably

2472
01:33:34,640 --> 01:33:33,120
one of the first investigators to really

2473
01:33:36,710 --> 01:33:34,650
get involved in the abduction cases in

2474
01:33:39,020 --> 01:33:36,720
the late 1960s a long before people

2475
01:33:41,270 --> 01:33:39,030
heard much about abduction cases and we

2476
01:33:43,790 --> 01:33:41,280
and I can say in recent years I've had

2477
01:33:45,890 --> 01:33:43,800
next to nothing being called in on

2478
01:33:50,030 --> 01:33:45,900
abduction reports very few in this area

2479
01:33:51,890 --> 01:33:50,040
but back in the 70s 80s 90s we are

2480
01:33:53,390 --> 01:33:51,900
getting quite a lot of reports like that

2481
01:33:55,280 --> 01:33:53,400
from across the state of Pennsylvania

2482
01:33:58,070 --> 01:33:55,290
and we looked into a number of cases and

2483
01:34:00,230 --> 01:33:58,080
let me tell you you can spend weeks days

2484
01:34:02,480 --> 01:34:00,240
months just on one case I mean it's just

2485
01:34:03,560 --> 01:34:02,490
you know it's incredible what you can

2486
01:34:06,020 --> 01:34:03,570
get involved in some of these type of

2487
01:34:07,430 --> 01:34:06,030
reports and your limit of what you can

2488
01:34:09,770 --> 01:34:07,440
do but you're trying to best you can and

2489
01:34:12,170 --> 01:34:09,780
I agree on a percent in many cases

2490
01:34:15,020 --> 01:34:12,180
especially important cases of close

2491
01:34:17,180 --> 01:34:15,030
encounters with creatures or UFO cases

2492
01:34:18,920 --> 01:34:17,190
we try to keep in touch with witnesses

2493
01:34:21,320 --> 01:34:18,930
you know for months and years after they

2494
01:34:23,210 --> 01:34:21,330
happened yeah so we look into a number

2495
01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:23,220
of abduction reports and one thing I

2496
01:34:28,010 --> 01:34:25,050
began to find back in the early days

2497
01:34:30,860 --> 01:34:28,020
when you really start looking to the

2498
01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:30,870
backgrounds of people and I think maybe

2499
01:34:34,100 --> 01:34:32,370
you fellas maybe I've heard about this a

2500
01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:34,110
little bit but I began to find and

2501
01:34:38,540 --> 01:34:35,970
unfortunately we just didn't have the

2502
01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:38,550
time or the funding they do a detailed

2503
01:34:42,680 --> 01:34:40,770
study of it it just got to the point cuz

2504
01:34:44,420 --> 01:34:42,690
we had so many reports came in I mean we

2505
01:34:46,850 --> 01:34:44,430
look at the thousands and thousands of

2506
01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:46,860
events over the years unnamed and this

2507
01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:47,770
was all

2508
01:34:51,540 --> 01:34:49,810
your spare time and you know you can

2509
01:34:53,400 --> 01:34:51,550
only do the best you could do but anyhow

2510
01:34:55,130 --> 01:34:53,410
going back I began to look into the

2511
01:34:58,080 --> 01:34:55,140
backgrounds of some of these people and

2512
01:34:59,220 --> 01:34:58,090
began to find that a lot of the people

2513
01:35:02,430 --> 01:34:59,230
who claimed without objection

2514
01:35:04,200 --> 01:35:02,440
experiences also had sometimes a

2515
01:35:06,330 --> 01:35:04,210
lifetime experience with other types of

2516
01:35:08,250 --> 01:35:06,340
phenomena hwadam began as very young

2517
01:35:10,590 --> 01:35:08,260
children having you know invisible

2518
01:35:12,930 --> 01:35:10,600
playmates seeing ghosts or some type of

2519
01:35:15,060 --> 01:35:12,940
apparitions and throughout their lives

2520
01:35:17,130 --> 01:35:15,070
some of these people would have UFO

2521
01:35:19,200 --> 01:35:17,140
encounters sometimes encounters with

2522
01:35:21,030 --> 01:35:19,210
strange creatures Bigfoot other

2523
01:35:23,160 --> 01:35:21,040
paranormal events in their home or other

2524
01:35:25,080 --> 01:35:23,170
people and their families I think there

2525
01:35:27,090 --> 01:35:25,090
was a lot more to that than we really

2526
01:35:29,910 --> 01:35:27,100
knew about and some of that will come

2527
01:35:32,730 --> 01:35:29,920
out in the next book but I think it was

2528
01:35:35,670 --> 01:35:32,740
very very fascinating again talk to some

2529
01:35:36,990 --> 01:35:35,680
people who had some very detailed what

2530
01:35:38,790 --> 01:35:37,000
they claimed would be their alleged

2531
01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:38,800
abduction experiences summer were very

2532
01:35:43,560 --> 01:35:41,530
detailed accounts but again I keep an

2533
01:35:46,170 --> 01:35:43,570
open mind I'm no expert on abduction

2534
01:35:49,470 --> 01:35:46,180
reports but I felt in some of the cases

2535
01:35:51,360 --> 01:35:49,480
these people were very concerned their

2536
01:35:53,610 --> 01:35:51,370
lives were very much affected by what

2537
01:35:56,010 --> 01:35:53,620
was happening other people and their

2538
01:35:58,650 --> 01:35:56,020
family sometimes were involved in some

2539
01:36:01,050 --> 01:35:58,660
of the events and they truly believed

2540
01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:01,060
that something was happening them that

2541
01:36:05,400 --> 01:36:03,130
was you know wasn't a normal activity

2542
01:36:07,440 --> 01:36:05,410
but what this was all about I still keep

2543
01:36:08,700 --> 01:36:07,450
an open mind in this aspect as well well

2544
01:36:10,260 --> 01:36:08,710
then one of the questions that come up

2545
01:36:13,620 --> 01:36:10,270
of course is how we investigate the

2546
01:36:15,690 --> 01:36:13,630
cases were these all or mostly instances

2547
01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:15,700
where people recall consciously what

2548
01:36:20,870 --> 01:36:17,770
happened or do we get into that murky

2549
01:36:23,340 --> 01:36:20,880
world of hypnotic regression again I'm

2550
01:36:24,540 --> 01:36:23,350
reflecting back in over many many years

2551
01:36:25,020 --> 01:36:24,550
I don't have all these cases right in

2552
01:36:28,290 --> 01:36:25,030
front of me

2553
01:36:29,820 --> 01:36:28,300
a lot of them as I recall lot of them

2554
01:36:30,780 --> 01:36:29,830
remember a lot of the information

2555
01:36:33,090 --> 01:36:30,790
consciously

2556
01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:33,100
but in some cases of there were some

2557
01:36:39,480 --> 01:36:36,610
aspects where there was hypnotherapy

2558
01:36:41,840 --> 01:36:39,490
involved back then we we had some pretty

2559
01:36:43,470 --> 01:36:41,850
good people in the medical field and the

2560
01:36:45,240 --> 01:36:43,480
psychologists and different people

2561
01:36:47,310 --> 01:36:45,250
involved who were pretty well trained to

2562
01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:47,320
deal with these types of things and so

2563
01:36:51,060 --> 01:36:48,850
we had some people were pretty good

2564
01:36:53,670 --> 01:36:51,070
knowing how to do that type of thing

2565
01:36:55,650 --> 01:36:53,680
without leading the witnesses and some

2566
01:36:57,030 --> 01:36:55,660
very detailed information you know

2567
01:36:59,150 --> 01:36:57,040
what's coming up in some of those events

2568
01:37:00,860 --> 01:36:59,160
interestingly we had

2569
01:37:02,810 --> 01:37:00,870
I think it was one case we had many

2570
01:37:05,420 --> 01:37:02,820
years ago with a businessman he was

2571
01:37:08,120 --> 01:37:05,430
actually driving from a particular town

2572
01:37:10,550 --> 01:37:08,130
he had to go out of town directly to get

2573
01:37:12,830 --> 01:37:10,560
up a specific part for a customer say he

2574
01:37:14,570 --> 01:37:12,840
knew exactly where he was going he had

2575
01:37:16,280 --> 01:37:14,580
quite a period of time missing and if I

2576
01:37:17,510 --> 01:37:16,290
recall that happened right on the

2577
01:37:19,010 --> 01:37:17,520
Pennsylvania Turnpike

2578
01:37:21,260 --> 01:37:19,020
yeah ghin I'm just going from memory

2579
01:37:23,090 --> 01:37:21,270
here but there was some really good

2580
01:37:25,250 --> 01:37:23,100
drawings done at the time by one of the

2581
01:37:27,830 --> 01:37:25,260
people in our group while he was under

2582
01:37:30,530 --> 01:37:27,840
hypnosis and he described in detail the

2583
01:37:32,870 --> 01:37:30,540
inside of the room to craft some symbols

2584
01:37:35,480 --> 01:37:32,880
the instrumentation on it but

2585
01:37:37,370 --> 01:37:35,490
interestingly it was drawn from his

2586
01:37:38,930 --> 01:37:37,380
perspective how he was lying down in

2587
01:37:40,640 --> 01:37:38,940
this table and everything was a

2588
01:37:42,920 --> 01:37:40,650
perspective it was very interesting

2589
01:37:45,170 --> 01:37:42,930
where you go from there I think part of

2590
01:37:47,780 --> 01:37:45,180
the problem has been that there's a lot

2591
01:37:50,390 --> 01:37:47,790
of people out there who wonder whether

2592
01:37:52,580 --> 01:37:50,400
when you undergo hypnotic regression

2593
01:37:53,930 --> 01:37:52,590
you're really remembering anything that

2594
01:37:55,850 --> 01:37:53,940
really happened or maybe you're

2595
01:37:58,040 --> 01:37:55,860
basically confabulating from a

2596
01:38:00,200 --> 01:37:58,050
science-fiction movie or unfortunately

2597
01:38:01,790 --> 01:38:00,210
the hypnotist is guiding you this has

2598
01:38:04,340 --> 01:38:01,800
become a natural controversy of these

2599
01:38:05,750 --> 01:38:04,350
days yes if you want to know more about

2600
01:38:06,620 --> 01:38:05,760
that subject just tuned in to the

2601
01:38:12,290 --> 01:38:06,630
podcast forum

2602
01:38:14,180 --> 01:38:12,300
oh and I'm about to put a stop to it

2603
01:38:16,580 --> 01:38:14,190
because the problem is here is they're

2604
01:38:20,300 --> 01:38:16,590
focusing on one case and I'd like to see

2605
01:38:23,360 --> 01:38:20,310
them look into ways to improve the

2606
01:38:24,830 --> 01:38:23,370
investigative methodology that's better

2607
01:38:25,880 --> 01:38:24,840
if somebody consciously reports

2608
01:38:28,310 --> 01:38:25,890
something and sees it

2609
01:38:30,980 --> 01:38:28,320
what about UFO photographs have you had

2610
01:38:32,420 --> 01:38:30,990
any really good ones you know I do see

2611
01:38:33,980 --> 01:38:32,430
photographs come in every once in a

2612
01:38:35,840 --> 01:38:33,990
while and a lot of them you know there's

2613
01:38:38,210 --> 01:38:35,850
a special deal with digital cameras

2614
01:38:39,980 --> 01:38:38,220
there's a lot of things what sonically

2615
01:38:43,460 --> 01:38:39,990
within the cameras that can produce a

2616
01:38:45,500 --> 01:38:43,470
lot of very strange images and you know

2617
01:38:46,700 --> 01:38:45,510
I think a lot of people contact me and

2618
01:38:48,290 --> 01:38:46,710
other researchers and they have some

2619
01:38:50,210 --> 01:38:48,300
very odd-looking things on film and

2620
01:38:51,800 --> 01:38:50,220
they're inter credible people in most

2621
01:38:54,470 --> 01:38:51,810
cases they didn't see anything at the

2622
01:38:56,570 --> 01:38:54,480
time the pictures were taken and but you

2623
01:38:57,800 --> 01:38:56,580
know it's very rare that I get really

2624
01:38:59,900 --> 01:38:57,810
good pictures now there isn't one

2625
01:39:02,120 --> 01:38:59,910
picture in the book that you may have

2626
01:39:04,460 --> 01:39:02,130
seen that was taken just a couple years

2627
01:39:06,980 --> 01:39:04,470
ago outside of Youngwood PA that was

2628
01:39:09,740 --> 01:39:06,990
kind of interesting and these people

2629
01:39:11,480 --> 01:39:09,750
with this one person in the vehicle had

2630
01:39:12,620 --> 01:39:11,490
just gotten a new cell phone just a few

2631
01:39:15,200 --> 01:39:12,630
days before with a nice

2632
01:39:16,129 --> 01:39:15,210
shop setting and was just happened to be

2633
01:39:17,689 --> 01:39:16,139
in the right place at the right time

2634
01:39:20,510 --> 01:39:17,699
when they got a photograph of this

2635
01:39:23,120 --> 01:39:20,520
object which was kind of a very large

2636
01:39:25,280 --> 01:39:23,130
luminous diamond shaped ivory with a

2637
01:39:28,570 --> 01:39:25,290
hump on the top and the bottom it was

2638
01:39:30,770 --> 01:39:28,580
moving out the world area very low and

2639
01:39:32,780 --> 01:39:30,780
they watch this thing and they finally

2640
01:39:35,209 --> 01:39:32,790
got a clear spot where they wasn't

2641
01:39:37,189 --> 01:39:35,219
blocked by houses took one photograph of

2642
01:39:38,750 --> 01:39:37,199
it which did come out and interestingly

2643
01:39:40,729 --> 01:39:38,760
which I'm sure you've probably heard in

2644
01:39:43,430 --> 01:39:40,739
so many cases as well here's this large

2645
01:39:45,470 --> 01:39:43,440
object is there then all of a sudden it

2646
01:39:48,110 --> 01:39:45,480
just disappears it's not there anymore

2647
01:39:50,120 --> 01:39:48,120
and the one witness said basically say

2648
01:39:51,500 --> 01:39:50,130
it was there then it wasn't there you

2649
01:39:53,810 --> 01:39:51,510
know quite often we hear these stories

2650
01:39:55,959 --> 01:39:53,820
of what appear V sometimes large solid

2651
01:39:58,370 --> 01:39:55,969
objects of various type of objects that

2652
01:39:59,959 --> 01:39:58,380
they appear and then suddenly just

2653
01:40:01,459 --> 01:39:59,969
vanish they're gone they don't take off

2654
01:40:03,410 --> 01:40:01,469
a high rate of speed they just disappear

2655
01:40:05,390 --> 01:40:03,420
right in front of witnesses eyes yeah

2656
01:40:06,950 --> 01:40:05,400
the object that you're referring to I'm

2657
01:40:08,120 --> 01:40:06,960
looking at right now in the book it's

2658
01:40:13,129 --> 01:40:08,130
someone taking your young word

2659
01:40:14,600 --> 01:40:13,139
Pennsylvania to my semi trained eye it

2660
01:40:17,750 --> 01:40:14,610
definitely looks like a real a real

2661
01:40:20,959 --> 01:40:17,760
picture there looks like a a plasma

2662
01:40:22,370 --> 01:40:20,969
sheath or cloud around the object which

2663
01:40:26,810 --> 01:40:22,380
is one of the first things I look for

2664
01:40:29,740 --> 01:40:26,820
very few billy meier sort of George

2665
01:40:33,229 --> 01:40:29,750
Adamski metal craft photographs of

2666
01:40:35,180 --> 01:40:33,239
objects I feel or real I think most of

2667
01:40:38,330 --> 01:40:35,190
those are faked do you look for that

2668
01:40:40,189 --> 01:40:38,340
plasma in fact the ionization of the air

2669
01:40:42,890 --> 01:40:40,199
around the object to me is a real

2670
01:40:44,930 --> 01:40:42,900
indicator of the of the you know a

2671
01:40:47,090 --> 01:40:44,940
legitimate UFO photographing this one

2672
01:40:49,070 --> 01:40:47,100
definitely looks looks real well the

2673
01:40:51,080 --> 01:40:49,080
people involved I mean I interviewed

2674
01:40:52,970 --> 01:40:51,090
them they were very credible people I

2675
01:40:54,620 --> 01:40:52,980
have a guy that I work with for years

2676
01:40:56,090 --> 01:40:54,630
it's a very good researcher and he

2677
01:40:58,430 --> 01:40:56,100
doesn't leave able to do some pretty

2678
01:40:59,990 --> 01:40:58,440
good work with photo analysis and he

2679
01:41:02,090 --> 01:41:00,000
took a look at this picture too and he

2680
01:41:04,459 --> 01:41:02,100
came away and he really couldn't find

2681
01:41:06,110 --> 01:41:04,469
any explanation for it as I recall yeah

2682
01:41:08,090 --> 01:41:06,120
I'm starting to get a little tired of

2683
01:41:10,640 --> 01:41:08,100
all these orb photographs that people

2684
01:41:13,340 --> 01:41:10,650
are presenting me all breathlessly

2685
01:41:16,310 --> 01:41:13,350
saying I was surrounded by angels or I

2686
01:41:16,890 --> 01:41:16,320
was surrounded by by aliens look and

2687
01:41:18,510 --> 01:41:16,900
look at all these

2688
01:41:20,250 --> 01:41:18,520
orbs it's like how come we didn't see

2689
01:41:22,530 --> 01:41:20,260
all these orb photographs prior to the

2690
01:41:24,209 --> 01:41:22,540
digital age you know what you know what

2691
01:41:26,280 --> 01:41:24,219
part of that do people not understand

2692
01:41:27,899 --> 01:41:26,290
how come we didn't see him prior to the

2693
01:41:32,110 --> 01:41:27,909
time they were actually photographed and

2694
01:41:32,120 --> 01:41:38,720
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2695
01:41:44,670 --> 01:41:42,150
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2696
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2698
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2707
01:42:36,680 --> 01:42:33,830
[Music]

2708
01:42:37,730 --> 01:42:36,690
we have Stan Gordon he's written a new

2709
01:42:39,680 --> 01:42:37,740
book called really mysterious

2710
01:42:42,230 --> 01:42:39,690
Pennsylvania which is a case book one

2711
01:42:44,630 --> 01:42:42,240
which means there will be sequels and we

2712
01:42:46,910 --> 01:42:44,640
have co-host christopher o'brien in our

2713
01:42:49,760 --> 01:42:46,920
final section let's kind of put it all

2714
01:42:52,430 --> 01:42:49,770
together again so Stan are we looking at

2715
01:42:54,740 --> 01:42:52,440
et sending down strange creatures are we

2716
01:42:56,780 --> 01:42:54,750
looking at the fourth dimension or what

2717
01:42:59,510 --> 01:42:56,790
well I'll tell you my honest opinion is

2718
01:43:01,130 --> 01:42:59,520
I don't have the answer after so many

2719
01:43:03,440 --> 01:43:01,140
years of investigating literally

2720
01:43:06,200 --> 01:43:03,450
thousands of cases having been able to

2721
01:43:08,570 --> 01:43:06,210
you know eliminate a lot of things as

2722
01:43:10,520 --> 01:43:08,580
IFOS I mean I get a lot of reports a lot

2723
01:43:12,350 --> 01:43:10,530
of things on the service fee and very

2724
01:43:14,750 --> 01:43:12,360
strange and unusual but as we all know

2725
01:43:16,070 --> 01:43:14,760
when you properly investigate and most

2726
01:43:18,080 --> 01:43:16,080
turned out to be a master or man-made

2727
01:43:20,390 --> 01:43:18,090
origin but they're always that

2728
01:43:22,640 --> 01:43:20,400
particular percentage of cases each year

2729
01:43:24,080 --> 01:43:22,650
you cannot easily dismiss my feeling has

2730
01:43:26,960 --> 01:43:24,090
been for a number of years is that

2731
01:43:28,490 --> 01:43:26,970
there's no one easy explanation for the

2732
01:43:33,500 --> 01:43:28,500
unknown category of what we're dealing

2733
01:43:36,860 --> 01:43:33,510
with here is that you absolutely agree

2734
01:43:38,720 --> 01:43:36,870
I'm in some ways I'm quite a bit more

2735
01:43:41,030 --> 01:43:38,730
confused now than I was when I started

2736
01:43:42,890 --> 01:43:41,040
this so 20 years of yeah so exactly

2737
01:43:44,540 --> 01:43:42,900
because I could say over the years you

2738
01:43:46,160 --> 01:43:44,550
know as things we're developing in some

2739
01:43:48,170 --> 01:43:46,170
cases over the years and we finally were

2740
01:43:49,760 --> 01:43:48,180
getting some patterns to it then all of

2741
01:43:53,090 --> 01:43:49,770
a sudden another case shows up it

2742
01:43:55,250 --> 01:43:53,100
completely blows away that theory as I

2743
01:43:57,350 --> 01:43:55,260
said the more we know the more confusing

2744
01:43:59,510 --> 01:43:57,360
it is I there's no clear explanation I I

2745
01:44:02,060 --> 01:43:59,520
think that you cannot eliminate the

2746
01:44:04,880 --> 01:44:02,070
possibility that a Lisa percentage could

2747
01:44:07,220 --> 01:44:04,890
be extraterrestrial visitors but again

2748
01:44:09,590 --> 01:44:07,230
you know got these cases where you have

2749
01:44:10,940 --> 01:44:09,600
a solid physical craft that suddenly

2750
01:44:13,310 --> 01:44:10,950
appear in front of people will suddenly

2751
01:44:15,380 --> 01:44:13,320
disappear they change form they go

2752
01:44:18,080 --> 01:44:15,390
physically form into different types of

2753
01:44:19,610 --> 01:44:18,090
craft and then I think some of the some

2754
01:44:20,780 --> 01:44:19,620
of the cases are really fascinating me

2755
01:44:23,960 --> 01:44:20,790
is a couple of them in this book by the

2756
01:44:25,820 --> 01:44:23,970
way are these small spherical objects

2757
01:44:27,950 --> 01:44:25,830
that people see at very close range

2758
01:44:29,510 --> 01:44:27,960
they're anywhere from a few inches to a

2759
01:44:30,350 --> 01:44:29,520
foot in diameter and these are

2760
01:44:31,880 --> 01:44:30,360
fascinating

2761
01:44:34,160 --> 01:44:31,890
we started getting news reports back in

2762
01:44:35,870 --> 01:44:34,170
the 60s and you know even some of the

2763
01:44:37,910 --> 01:44:35,880
abductees have talked about these small

2764
01:44:39,740 --> 01:44:37,920
spheres of light to the occasional see

2765
01:44:42,590 --> 01:44:39,750
in their homes but I've had other case

2766
01:44:44,510 --> 01:44:42,600
of these small spheres I had a case

2767
01:44:45,770 --> 01:44:44,520
where people had to wind us down on the

2768
01:44:47,030 --> 01:44:45,780
cloud and these little spheres were

2769
01:44:49,310 --> 01:44:47,040
inside

2770
01:44:50,930 --> 01:44:49,320
floating around in the car one case for

2771
01:44:52,700 --> 01:44:50,940
many many years ago I believe in

2772
01:44:55,850 --> 01:44:52,710
Punxsutawney up to the home of

2773
01:44:59,300 --> 01:44:55,860
Punxsutawney Phil and Thompson's honey

2774
01:45:00,940 --> 01:44:59,310
Phil is an alien creature not so sure

2775
01:45:03,320 --> 01:45:00,950
about that

2776
01:45:06,140 --> 01:45:03,330
but anyhow there was a case where a

2777
01:45:09,230 --> 01:45:06,150
woman had a spherical objects moth

2778
01:45:10,460 --> 01:45:09,240
flying into her kitchen through a window

2779
01:45:12,530 --> 01:45:10,470
was floating around

2780
01:45:15,080 --> 01:45:12,540
she took a broom to it for smacking with

2781
01:45:18,110 --> 01:45:15,090
a broom and she said it broke into two

2782
01:45:19,430 --> 01:45:18,120
separate identical spheres they floated

2783
01:45:22,340 --> 01:45:19,440
around the room went back out the window

2784
01:45:26,360 --> 01:45:22,350
and went away I love it she attacked it

2785
01:45:28,070 --> 01:45:26,370
with a broom yeah we've had him on golf

2786
01:45:30,830 --> 01:45:28,080
courses years ago we had one and

2787
01:45:32,300 --> 01:45:30,840
Pittsburgh were a small sphere was right

2788
01:45:34,160 --> 01:45:32,310
above the golfers they don't swing into

2789
01:45:35,450 --> 01:45:34,170
golf clubs at it and every time this one

2790
01:45:37,670 --> 01:45:35,460
got it would move up a little bit and

2791
01:45:38,900 --> 01:45:37,680
finally took off but a couple of them

2792
01:45:41,420 --> 01:45:38,910
here in the book I mean there's some

2793
01:45:43,340 --> 01:45:41,430
really interesting ones here where man

2794
01:45:45,230 --> 01:45:43,350
and his sister were sitting in their

2795
01:45:47,660 --> 01:45:45,240
home and they heard these taps on the

2796
01:45:49,100 --> 01:45:47,670
window and the look to see coming across

2797
01:45:50,720 --> 01:45:49,110
the front winter which is only a few

2798
01:45:53,270 --> 01:45:50,730
feet away four they were sitting it's

2799
01:45:55,460 --> 01:45:53,280
just red sphere that's us floating right

2800
01:45:57,620 --> 01:45:55,470
across the window it hit their window he

2801
01:45:59,810 --> 01:45:57,630
opens up the door to think flies up over

2802
01:46:01,340 --> 01:45:59,820
his neighbor's roof comes back in a few

2803
01:46:04,280 --> 01:46:01,350
seconds comes back to the window again

2804
01:46:06,950 --> 01:46:04,290
and you know it was not aluminous was a

2805
01:46:08,720 --> 01:46:06,960
bright red color and had two long thin

2806
01:46:09,320 --> 01:46:08,730
beams of light coming out of it go

2807
01:46:11,270 --> 01:46:09,330
figure

2808
01:46:13,010 --> 01:46:11,280
there's so many strange things we don't

2809
01:46:14,420 --> 01:46:13,020
have the answers for out there but I've

2810
01:46:16,490 --> 01:46:14,430
noticed some patterning in these fear

2811
01:46:18,950 --> 01:46:16,500
reports the ones that are about baseball

2812
01:46:21,050 --> 01:46:18,960
sized tend to be real bright laser ruby

2813
01:46:23,360 --> 01:46:21,060
red and anything smaller than that at

2814
01:46:26,120 --> 01:46:23,370
least in my experience in my case logs

2815
01:46:28,400 --> 01:46:26,130
tend to be like like Tinkerbell in the

2816
01:46:30,140 --> 01:46:28,410
Disney movies it's the larger ones that

2817
01:46:32,990 --> 01:46:30,150
are like beach ball size that tend to go

2818
01:46:35,960 --> 01:46:33,000
Orange and then you go up to the real

2819
01:46:38,150 --> 01:46:35,970
big green glowing huge green green

2820
01:46:40,400 --> 01:46:38,160
glowing objects that are have been

2821
01:46:42,410 --> 01:46:40,410
reported since the late 40s and 50s in

2822
01:46:44,240 --> 01:46:42,420
the southwest so there is a little bit

2823
01:46:46,640 --> 01:46:44,250
of patterning to size in color that I've

2824
01:46:48,110 --> 01:46:46,650
noticed yeah well again there was a

2825
01:46:51,340 --> 01:46:48,120
couple other ones mentioned in the book

2826
01:46:54,860 --> 01:46:51,350
here and there was a one incident that

2827
01:46:57,620 --> 01:46:54,870
happened several years ago it was in a

2828
01:46:59,370 --> 01:46:57,630
shopping center here in North Huntington

2829
01:47:02,070 --> 01:46:59,380
Township there

2830
01:47:03,960 --> 01:47:02,080
several people out there who would the

2831
01:47:07,230 --> 01:47:03,970
mall the shopping center had just closed

2832
01:47:08,550 --> 01:47:07,240
down this small these people were

2833
01:47:11,430 --> 01:47:08,560
talking out there and one of the people

2834
01:47:13,350 --> 01:47:11,440
happen to yell so look at that here was

2835
01:47:15,510 --> 01:47:13,360
a small sphere I mean this was only as

2836
01:47:17,340 --> 01:47:15,520
big as about a I think a tennis ball if

2837
01:47:19,620 --> 01:47:17,350
I remember and it was kind of like

2838
01:47:22,020 --> 01:47:19,630
bubble but much more solid in appearance

2839
01:47:23,400 --> 01:47:22,030
and it was only about I think about six

2840
01:47:25,200 --> 01:47:23,410
feet off the ground as I recall about

2841
01:47:26,550 --> 01:47:25,210
ten feet away the one guy said he said I

2842
01:47:29,250 --> 01:47:26,560
could have stuck my haneda to grab this

2843
01:47:31,920 --> 01:47:29,260
thing but it was moving steadily across

2844
01:47:33,660 --> 01:47:31,930
right across from them going down to the

2845
01:47:36,120 --> 01:47:33,670
road down towards the other part of the

2846
01:47:38,610 --> 01:47:36,130
shopping area starting to zigzag Amanda

2847
01:47:40,170 --> 01:47:38,620
took off but it was very very close

2848
01:47:41,820 --> 01:47:40,180
appear to be a solid and he said

2849
01:47:44,790 --> 01:47:41,830
whatever it was it appear to be some

2850
01:47:47,730 --> 01:47:44,800
type of a probe yep or Tinkerbell okay

2851
01:47:50,670 --> 01:47:47,740
so Taylor Behl and Peter Pan are present

2852
01:47:52,410 --> 01:47:50,680
in Pennsylvania fixed areas and they're

2853
01:47:54,750 --> 01:47:52,420
here for a movie I don't know how far

2854
01:47:56,910 --> 01:47:54,760
back can you go with this stuff Stan we

2855
01:47:58,560 --> 01:47:56,920
look at current stuff we mentioned

2856
01:48:00,240 --> 01:47:58,570
Thunderbirds going back pretty far what

2857
01:48:02,400 --> 01:48:00,250
about the rest of it well I like I said

2858
01:48:04,590 --> 01:48:02,410
the earliest first thing I reckon I have

2859
01:48:07,080 --> 01:48:04,600
a lot of a Bigfoot goes back to 1931 I

2860
01:48:09,990 --> 01:48:07,090
mean there are legends and ice believe

2861
01:48:11,780 --> 01:48:10,000
in some early 1900 references to

2862
01:48:14,580 --> 01:48:11,790
Thunderbirds in Pennsylvania

2863
01:48:17,070 --> 01:48:14,590
UFOs go back of course you know they're

2864
01:48:18,570 --> 01:48:17,080
very very far back so I mean there's a

2865
01:48:20,040 --> 01:48:18,580
lot of historical stuff that's going

2866
01:48:22,890 --> 01:48:20,050
back for many many years people seeing

2867
01:48:25,950 --> 01:48:22,900
these things but my records actually a

2868
01:48:27,660 --> 01:48:25,960
most up-to-date from huh I'd say

2869
01:48:29,850 --> 01:48:27,670
actually my records go back to the 1890s

2870
01:48:32,010 --> 01:48:29,860
in Pennsylvania up that are present but

2871
01:48:34,920 --> 01:48:32,020
a lot of the most the largest amount of

2872
01:48:36,420 --> 01:48:34,930
activity would be late 60s up to the

2873
01:48:39,150 --> 01:48:36,430
present time because I got out in the

2874
01:48:40,800 --> 01:48:39,160
field after the incident Kecksburg 1965

2875
01:48:42,870 --> 01:48:40,810
when I began to investigate out in the

2876
01:48:44,850 --> 01:48:42,880
field so while my records are pretty

2877
01:48:46,680 --> 01:48:44,860
updated from that point on why my

2878
01:48:50,040 --> 01:48:46,690
earliest one is 1777

2879
01:48:52,890 --> 01:48:50,050
believe it or not which I did goes way

2880
01:48:54,960 --> 01:48:52,900
back I do Antonioni has mentioned that

2881
01:48:57,810 --> 01:48:54,970
there were some from the late 1600s in

2882
01:48:59,520 --> 01:48:57,820
new england but but a lot of people

2883
01:49:00,930 --> 01:48:59,530
don't know who Antonio is and he's going

2884
01:49:02,880 --> 01:49:00,940
to be on a future episode

2885
01:49:05,130 --> 01:49:02,890
so maybe explain who he is and what he

2886
01:49:07,380 --> 01:49:05,140
does Antonio Banderas is one of the top

2887
01:49:11,210 --> 01:49:07,390
experts I think in the world on the

2888
01:49:14,390 --> 01:49:11,220
historical UFO reports that go back

2889
01:49:17,780 --> 01:49:14,400
you know is as far back as the dark ages

2890
01:49:19,970 --> 01:49:17,790
and and even back into into the classic

2891
01:49:22,460 --> 01:49:19,980
Greek period for instance he's recently

2892
01:49:25,460 --> 01:49:22,470
uncovered some amazing what sound like

2893
01:49:28,310 --> 01:49:25,470
abduction reports that are pre you know

2894
01:49:30,410 --> 01:49:28,320
Cortez in the Maya Lance very

2895
01:49:31,550 --> 01:49:30,420
interesting guy extremely knowledgeable

2896
01:49:34,540 --> 01:49:31,560
he was the international head of

2897
01:49:37,310 --> 01:49:34,550
Investigations for MUFON for many years

2898
01:49:39,740 --> 01:49:37,320
he was a co-author with Don Berliner for

2899
01:49:41,450 --> 01:49:39,750
the best available evidence report that

2900
01:49:45,080 --> 01:49:41,460
was funded by by Lawrence Rockefeller

2901
01:49:48,320 --> 01:49:45,090
and the bgw foundation that there was a

2902
01:49:50,000 --> 01:49:48,330
highly touted back in the mid 90s he's

2903
01:49:51,680 --> 01:49:50,010
been one of those you know like Stan

2904
01:49:53,150 --> 01:49:51,690
just one of those quiet guys it doesn't

2905
01:49:55,130 --> 01:49:53,160
promote himself it doesn't doesn't

2906
01:49:56,690 --> 01:49:55,140
create this cult of personality was

2907
01:49:59,120 --> 01:49:56,700
extremely on the ball extremely

2908
01:50:00,680 --> 01:49:59,130
knowledgeable you know he's slaying so

2909
01:50:02,360 --> 01:50:00,690
he really has his finger like Scott

2910
01:50:04,550 --> 01:50:02,370
Corrales for instance says his finger on

2911
01:50:06,770 --> 01:50:04,560
the pulse of Latin American reports and

2912
01:50:09,530 --> 01:50:06,780
I can't wait to to get him on the show

2913
01:50:11,360 --> 01:50:09,540
he doesn't do many radio shows and it's

2914
01:50:14,090 --> 01:50:11,370
like this show here with Stan it's gonna

2915
01:50:15,830 --> 01:50:14,100
be absolutely fascinating yes Antonio is

2916
01:50:17,510 --> 01:50:15,840
someone I've known for a number of years

2917
01:50:19,280 --> 01:50:17,520
and they will have him and Scott on the

2918
01:50:21,500 --> 01:50:19,290
show with you Chris and we could

2919
01:50:24,920 --> 01:50:21,510
reminisce about UFOs and other

2920
01:50:27,710 --> 01:50:24,930
paranormal cases so anyway as we wind

2921
01:50:29,630 --> 01:50:27,720
this down Stan Gordon what do we do to

2922
01:50:32,960 --> 01:50:29,640
improve investigations get better

2923
01:50:34,760 --> 01:50:32,970
information and maybe to get a handle of

2924
01:50:36,290 --> 01:50:34,770
what's really going on where do we go

2925
01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:36,300
from here well I think you know

2926
01:50:39,860 --> 01:50:38,010
researchers have to start in their

2927
01:50:42,470 --> 01:50:39,870
localized areas they've got to do

2928
01:50:43,910 --> 01:50:42,480
they've got to get to that that first

2929
01:50:45,710 --> 01:50:43,920
level they've got to get to where the

2930
01:50:47,750 --> 01:50:45,720
reports may be coming into it's not to

2931
01:50:50,450 --> 01:50:47,760
them they need to make contact with a

2932
01:50:53,240 --> 01:50:50,460
local police local news media resources

2933
01:50:55,520 --> 01:50:53,250
that if they get the report these people

2934
01:50:57,260 --> 01:50:55,530
need to come across no there's that

2935
01:50:59,030 --> 01:50:57,270
they're serious about this to make the

2936
01:51:00,020 --> 01:50:59,040
contact so they will get the information

2937
01:51:02,570 --> 01:51:00,030
that's the first thing getting in the

2938
01:51:04,520 --> 01:51:02,580
reports and then you've got to be able

2939
01:51:06,350 --> 01:51:04,530
to handle the reports you need to have

2940
01:51:08,480 --> 01:51:06,360
the qualified people who are adding

2941
01:51:10,460 --> 01:51:08,490
interview people and that have the

2942
01:51:12,200 --> 01:51:10,470
capabilities to properly analyze what's

2943
01:51:12,950 --> 01:51:12,210
being reported and you got to start them

2944
01:51:15,740 --> 01:51:12,960
young and they have

2945
01:51:18,380 --> 01:51:15,750
be local or regional what I found in the

2946
01:51:20,090 --> 01:51:18,390
San Luis Valley is outside investigators

2947
01:51:22,790 --> 01:51:20,100
would come in to to investigate cases

2948
01:51:25,670 --> 01:51:22,800
and wouldn't get very far because you

2949
01:51:27,530 --> 01:51:25,680
know people in oftentimes in rural areas

2950
01:51:29,330 --> 01:51:27,540
where these these events tend to occur

2951
01:51:30,830 --> 01:51:29,340
oftentimes they're very suspicious of

2952
01:51:31,940 --> 01:51:30,840
people coming from the outside but if

2953
01:51:34,790 --> 01:51:31,950
you live there and you have a local

2954
01:51:37,190 --> 01:51:34,800
phone number or you know they know that

2955
01:51:39,920 --> 01:51:37,200
you're from the area there they're way

2956
01:51:42,440 --> 01:51:39,930
more apt to open up and confide in you

2957
01:51:44,780 --> 01:51:42,450
and obviously it's the whole anonymity

2958
01:51:47,420 --> 01:51:44,790
factor if you'll violate confidences or

2959
01:51:49,400 --> 01:51:47,430
violate anonymity you'll just sync

2960
01:51:51,229 --> 01:51:49,410
yourself you only got one or two chances

2961
01:51:53,420 --> 01:51:51,239
at that and that's one thing I pride

2962
01:51:56,110 --> 01:51:53,430
myself on is I honor all requests for

2963
01:51:59,030 --> 01:51:56,120
anonymity yes now in terms of getting

2964
01:52:01,729 --> 01:51:59,040
official them to accept what's going on

2965
01:52:03,979 --> 01:52:01,739
is there a disclosure here that we could

2966
01:52:06,320 --> 01:52:03,989
strive for or probably officialdom

2967
01:52:08,870 --> 01:52:06,330
doesn't care or doesn't know what the

2968
01:52:10,820 --> 01:52:08,880
answer is well you know we looked at all

2969
01:52:12,290 --> 01:52:10,830
these different different events and

2970
01:52:13,729 --> 01:52:12,300
things have happened even recent years

2971
01:52:14,840 --> 01:52:13,739
to try to get disclosure and of course

2972
01:52:16,820 --> 01:52:14,850
we're all hopeful that what happens

2973
01:52:18,410 --> 01:52:16,830
someday but over the many many years

2974
01:52:20,450 --> 01:52:18,420
I've been doing this now I mean I've

2975
01:52:22,010 --> 01:52:20,460
become somewhat the scourge over that

2976
01:52:24,650 --> 01:52:22,020
but I'm hopeful that something would

2977
01:52:27,700 --> 01:52:24,660
happen because even back in boy it's

2978
01:52:30,320 --> 01:52:27,710
really going back well I say 1975-76

2979
01:52:32,840 --> 01:52:30,330
there was indication that there was some

2980
01:52:34,370 --> 01:52:32,850
talk that things were being handled on a

2981
01:52:36,290 --> 01:52:34,380
certain level to begin to release the

2982
01:52:38,060 --> 01:52:36,300
information to the public and things

2983
01:52:41,350 --> 01:52:38,070
look pretty good for a while and then as

2984
01:52:44,330 --> 01:52:41,360
usual when these stories start to

2985
01:52:46,880 --> 01:52:44,340
there's nothing right as nothing ever

2986
01:52:47,990 --> 01:52:46,890
comes through and I'm just not so

2987
01:52:50,240 --> 01:52:48,000
convinced that that's gonna happen

2988
01:52:53,709 --> 01:52:50,250
anytime soon you know you become

2989
01:52:56,000 --> 01:52:53,719
discouraged I become cynical and jaded I

2990
01:52:57,590 --> 01:52:56,010
just had to throw that in there I don't

2991
01:53:00,860 --> 01:52:57,600
know I think that the disclosure folk

2992
01:53:03,920 --> 01:53:00,870
are gonna be waiting for quite a while

2993
01:53:07,400 --> 01:53:03,930
before our tax dollars has anything

2994
01:53:10,400 --> 01:53:07,410
official to say about the level of their

2995
01:53:12,590 --> 01:53:10,410
awareness knowledge and and and about

2996
01:53:14,900 --> 01:53:12,600
all this stuff is just it's just I don't

2997
01:53:16,340 --> 01:53:14,910
see it anytime soon probably not in our

2998
01:53:18,260 --> 01:53:16,350
lifetimes let's put it that way

2999
01:53:19,640 --> 01:53:18,270
so we're destined to chase but it will

3000
01:53:21,110 --> 01:53:19,650
be forever elusive

3001
01:53:22,140 --> 01:53:21,120
I think somebody's going to have to mess

3002
01:53:25,200 --> 01:53:22,150
up at

3003
01:53:27,660 --> 01:53:25,210
at some level and and we'll have some

3004
01:53:30,380 --> 01:53:27,670
sort of or some sort of deep throat type

3005
01:53:34,230 --> 01:53:30,390
character that comes out and is able to

3006
01:53:36,120 --> 01:53:34,240
supply irrefutable documents and data

3007
01:53:37,470 --> 01:53:36,130
not like the mj-12 documents but

3008
01:53:41,370 --> 01:53:37,480
something that can really truly be

3009
01:53:42,900 --> 01:53:41,380
become confirmed there are such

3010
01:53:46,350 --> 01:53:42,910
documents to be found

3011
01:53:47,880 --> 01:53:46,360
yeah I'm sure I'm sure you know the

3012
01:53:51,390 --> 01:53:47,890
federal government has has a real

3013
01:53:52,890 --> 01:53:51,400
obsession for for documentation I'm sure

3014
01:53:55,020 --> 01:53:52,900
a lot of these documents have been

3015
01:53:57,150 --> 01:53:55,030
destroyed but there's I'm sure that

3016
01:53:58,950 --> 01:53:57,160
there's something something still you

3017
01:54:02,340 --> 01:53:58,960
know maybe in that big huge document

3018
01:54:03,600 --> 01:54:02,350
repository that's in Atchison Kansas and

3019
01:54:05,850 --> 01:54:03,610
the old limestone mines there's a

3020
01:54:08,130 --> 01:54:05,860
million square feet of file cabinets

3021
01:54:09,810 --> 01:54:08,140
basically there I'm sure there are

3022
01:54:12,120 --> 01:54:09,820
documents but it's gonna take somebody

3023
01:54:14,520 --> 01:54:12,130
on the inside higher and higher up on

3024
01:54:16,410 --> 01:54:14,530
the inside to feel compelled to to come

3025
01:54:17,880 --> 01:54:16,420
out and spill the beans on this so right

3026
01:54:20,730 --> 01:54:17,890
now it's not sitting there in warehouse

3027
01:54:23,520 --> 01:54:20,740
13 you know we could be warehouse 14 for

3028
01:54:26,940 --> 01:54:23,530
all we know I kind of think of the scene

3029
01:54:29,010 --> 01:54:26,950
in the original energy Lost Ark you know

3030
01:54:32,930 --> 01:54:29,020
where they have the Ark of the Covenant

3031
01:54:35,640 --> 01:54:32,940
and it goes into this dusty old basement

3032
01:54:37,830 --> 01:54:35,650
beneath the Smithsonian or somewhere and

3033
01:54:40,590 --> 01:54:37,840
everybody forgets about it nobody cares

3034
01:54:42,990 --> 01:54:40,600
and you wonder if they didn't get

3035
01:54:45,510 --> 01:54:43,000
information even back in the 30s 40s 50s

3036
01:54:47,160 --> 01:54:45,520
whatever and it's just being kept hidden

3037
01:54:49,800 --> 01:54:47,170
somewhere because nobody knows what to

3038
01:54:52,350 --> 01:54:49,810
do with it they can't say hey we got

3039
01:54:52,920 --> 01:54:52,360
this stuff but we haven't a clue yeah

3040
01:54:54,900 --> 01:54:52,930
exactly

3041
01:54:57,510 --> 01:54:54,910
it's the opening scene in the the latest

3042
01:54:59,250 --> 01:54:57,520
because it's Crystal Skull Indiana Jones

3043
01:55:01,980 --> 01:54:59,260
movie - I think is is in one of those

3044
01:55:03,840 --> 01:55:01,990
types of warehouses allegedly so I I

3045
01:55:05,850 --> 01:55:03,850
don't know I I don't I'm not holding my

3046
01:55:07,350 --> 01:55:05,860
breath because I turned many shades of

3047
01:55:09,690 --> 01:55:07,360
purple and my head would explode before

3048
01:55:13,650 --> 01:55:09,700
we're gonna get you know the exo

3049
01:55:15,510 --> 01:55:13,660
politics lusted after disclosure I think

3050
01:55:17,280 --> 01:55:15,520
I think what we're seeing is other

3051
01:55:19,380 --> 01:55:17,290
countries are disclosing to try to take

3052
01:55:20,850 --> 01:55:19,390
the heat off the US government and I

3053
01:55:22,740 --> 01:55:20,860
think everybody else will disclose

3054
01:55:25,890 --> 01:55:22,750
before the government even begins to

3055
01:55:27,570 --> 01:55:25,900
entertain that yes it's closing it's

3056
01:55:29,910 --> 01:55:27,580
nothing earth-shattering it's just more

3057
01:55:31,740 --> 01:55:29,920
places with the same as - Lee exactly

3058
01:55:33,390 --> 01:55:31,750
but it's keeping the heat off the US

3059
01:55:35,040 --> 01:55:33,400
government cuz everybody gets

3060
01:55:36,570 --> 01:55:35,050
you know it's these are red hair and

3061
01:55:39,780 --> 01:55:36,580
disclosure product the projects where

3062
01:55:41,940 --> 01:55:39,790
you know the you KMOD order you know and

3063
01:55:43,140 --> 01:55:41,950
how they'll expose some document so say

3064
01:55:44,610 --> 01:55:43,150
we're not going to investigate UFOs

3065
01:55:45,990 --> 01:55:44,620
anymore and that'll be a big news story

3066
01:55:48,630 --> 01:55:46,000
and everybody will be thinking about

3067
01:55:50,130 --> 01:55:48,640
that and not dog in the US government it

3068
01:55:53,640 --> 01:55:50,140
has to either be a public groundswell

3069
01:55:56,520 --> 01:55:53,650
that makes it politically expedient for

3070
01:55:59,190 --> 01:55:56,530
disclosure to happen which is not going

3071
01:56:02,340 --> 01:55:59,200
to happen anytime soon or a public

3072
01:56:04,410 --> 01:56:02,350
groundswell to improve space exploration

3073
01:56:06,030 --> 01:56:04,420
this is one of the things a really sore

3074
01:56:08,190 --> 01:56:06,040
point with me that we're looking at the

3075
01:56:13,950 --> 01:56:08,200
fact that we land on the moon in 1969

3076
01:56:16,200 --> 01:56:13,960
early 70s and we have these programs and

3077
01:56:18,660 --> 01:56:16,210
we're using the same technology from the

3078
01:56:21,540 --> 01:56:18,670
v2 rocket to get us up there this big

3079
01:56:22,890 --> 01:56:21,550
firecracker gets us up there and we're

3080
01:56:25,170 --> 01:56:22,900
not looking for anything else

3081
01:56:28,290 --> 01:56:25,180
we're just coasting we're just doing

3082
01:56:30,920 --> 01:56:28,300
enough to stop the political criticism

3083
01:56:35,280 --> 01:56:30,930
there's nothing that drive us into space

3084
01:56:38,280 --> 01:56:35,290
2001 will happen in 20 201 what was in

3085
01:56:40,050 --> 01:56:38,290
2001 in terms of space travel the way

3086
01:56:41,610 --> 01:56:40,060
things are going now well we have the

3087
01:56:43,440 --> 01:56:41,620
space core that's already out there Gary

3088
01:56:47,400 --> 01:56:43,450
McKinnon claims that he was able to

3089
01:56:50,430 --> 01:56:47,410
stumble on a list of off-planet you know

3090
01:56:52,410 --> 01:56:50,440
the Air Force personnel or whatever and

3091
01:56:55,470 --> 01:56:52,420
and then of course we have our hollow

3092
01:56:57,420 --> 01:56:55,480
Phobos too I mean we probably have you

3093
01:56:59,610 --> 01:56:57,430
know the ultimate you know Cold War

3094
01:57:01,650 --> 01:56:59,620
bunker is probably spinning around Mars

3095
01:57:03,540 --> 01:57:01,660
right Richard Hoagland well if we bring

3096
01:57:05,250 --> 01:57:03,550
Richard Hoagland on here will join to

3097
01:57:06,330 --> 01:57:05,260
have to ask him those serious questions

3098
01:57:08,280 --> 01:57:06,340
but I want to know about Richard

3099
01:57:10,590 --> 01:57:08,290
Hoagland educational background which

3100
01:57:13,650 --> 01:57:10,600
isn't mentioned in his Wikipedia entry

3101
01:57:14,910 --> 01:57:13,660
Stan we're not ignoring you okay but I'd

3102
01:57:17,040 --> 01:57:14,920
like you to spend a couple of minutes

3103
01:57:19,020 --> 01:57:17,050
telling us about the book and where you

3104
01:57:21,660 --> 01:57:19,030
go in your investigation from here well

3105
01:57:24,150 --> 01:57:21,670
of course I get reports you know quite

3106
01:57:26,520 --> 01:57:24,160
commonly from phone calls here from the

3107
01:57:27,810 --> 01:57:26,530
emails and I course I'm working at the

3108
01:57:30,150 --> 01:57:27,820
independent research and I don't still

3109
01:57:31,530 --> 01:57:30,160
work full-time so try to catch up and

3110
01:57:33,840 --> 01:57:31,540
try to keep up with the current cases

3111
01:57:36,600 --> 01:57:33,850
and try to get on as many as I can on

3112
01:57:37,830 --> 01:57:36,610
current reports I have the second book

3113
01:57:40,500 --> 01:57:37,840
hopefully coming out in the next few

3114
01:57:43,110 --> 01:57:40,510
months it's called solid invasion the

3115
01:57:45,479 --> 01:57:43,120
Pennsylvania UFO Bigfoot case book which

3116
01:57:46,560 --> 01:57:45,489
is going to focus on the 73 events but

3117
01:57:48,270 --> 01:57:46,570
people can get across

3118
01:57:50,730 --> 01:57:48,280
it's newly-released a really mysterious

3119
01:57:52,980 --> 01:57:50,740
Pennsylvania be GLaDOS anime er

3120
01:57:55,410 --> 01:57:52,990
personalized autograph copy they can

3121
01:57:58,320 --> 01:57:55,420
look at my website ordered at Stan

3122
01:58:01,260 --> 01:57:58,330
Gordon dot info or they can call seven

3123
01:58:03,870 --> 01:58:01,270
two four eight three eight seven seven

3124
01:58:06,120 --> 01:58:03,880
six eight and we can also order directly

3125
01:58:07,830 --> 01:58:06,130
by phone as well why'd you give that

3126
01:58:09,120 --> 01:58:07,840
number again but now I understand a lot

3127
01:58:12,410 --> 01:58:09,130
of people are going to call you and just

3128
01:58:15,510 --> 01:58:12,420
you know one phone sex or something I

3129
01:58:17,550 --> 01:58:15,520
get a lot of calls about UFOs and other

3130
01:58:19,410 --> 01:58:17,560
strange phenomena quite off on this

3131
01:58:22,260 --> 01:58:19,420
number at seven two four eight three

3132
01:58:23,880 --> 01:58:22,270
eight seven seven six eight what about

3133
01:58:25,770 --> 01:58:23,890
an email address or would you rather not

3134
01:58:27,540 --> 01:58:25,780
receive the spam oh no I

3135
01:58:29,010 --> 01:58:27,550
if people would email me I get a lot of

3136
01:58:32,970 --> 01:58:29,020
reports by email we can get through my

3137
01:58:35,690 --> 01:58:32,980
website it's PA UFO at Comcast but net

3138
01:58:38,130 --> 01:58:35,700
well now Comcast is gonna be slammed

3139
01:58:40,470 --> 01:58:38,140
Chris uh Brian where you have coming up

3140
01:58:42,300 --> 01:58:40,480
for us to check out well of course I've

3141
01:58:45,270 --> 01:58:42,310
got my new book that's out stocking the

3142
01:58:47,460 --> 01:58:45,280
tricksters which is what's behind

3143
01:58:50,280 --> 01:58:47,470
metrics they're moist and of course I do

3144
01:58:53,310 --> 01:58:50,290
have a website our strange planet calm

3145
01:58:57,150 --> 01:58:53,320
or oh you are strange planet calm and

3146
01:58:59,400 --> 01:58:57,160
I'm working hard on getting a you know

3147
01:59:01,290 --> 01:58:59,410
24/7 surveillance net of high-res video

3148
01:59:02,940 --> 01:59:01,300
cameras in the San Luis Valley where

3149
01:59:06,930 --> 01:59:02,950
we're making strides to make that a

3150
01:59:09,120 --> 01:59:06,940
reality that is been a project that I

3151
01:59:11,070 --> 01:59:09,130
hadn't you know as a vision for quite a

3152
01:59:12,240 --> 01:59:11,080
number of years and we're finally seeing

3153
01:59:14,130 --> 01:59:12,250
light at the end of the tunnel for this

3154
01:59:16,050 --> 01:59:14,140
project and it's real exciting

3155
01:59:19,290 --> 01:59:16,060
thank you very much Stan Gordon author

3156
01:59:21,450 --> 01:59:19,300
of really mysterious Pennsylvania the

3157
01:59:23,430 --> 01:59:21,460
first of a number of case books we

3158
01:59:25,500 --> 01:59:23,440
expect and of course Chris O'Brien

3159
01:59:27,180 --> 01:59:25,510
thanks for joining us this week on the

3160
01:59:29,160 --> 01:59:27,190
power cast thanks for having me I

3161
01:59:31,140 --> 01:59:29,170
appreciate it was a great show yeah

3162
01:59:33,210 --> 01:59:31,150
great great having you on Stan and

3163
01:59:34,350 --> 01:59:33,220
you're real you're unsung hero and a

3164
01:59:36,030 --> 01:59:34,360
real trooper and you've been a real

3165
01:59:37,860 --> 01:59:36,040
inspiration for myself and many other

3166
01:59:49,640 --> 01:59:37,870
field investigators out to keep up the

3167
01:59:54,800 --> 01:59:52,890
two minutes we formed an adventure in